I thought I would share a video with those of you who would like to make a SBR but don’t know how to go about doing it. Some folks are intimidated by the whole process, so I figured I would show people just how easy it was and where to find everything they need.
Thanks for the info! I was actually on here looking for this type of info since I will be starting my paperwork for my first SBR within the next week or so.
How does any of this information differ if you are going the trust route? And what box is it that you have to fill out that shows what you will have engraved on your receiver? I didn’t see that in your video…
I couldn’t answer your question with any confidence as I don’t have a trust and have never submitted paperwork in a trust’s name. So I don’t want to give you bum info. There’s nothing more frustrating than waiting 4 months, finding your letter from the DOJ only to find out inside is your Form 1 with instructions on how to fix whatever it was you did wrong.
That’s understandable. It should be pretty similar. Thanks
so if i send my receiver of to a gunsmith to have it engraved does that change the way the paper work is filled out. i heard you mention that they become the manufacture
Why is this lower must be engraved myth continue to be perpetuated?
Uh…because engraving of lower, frame, or barrel is mandated in the regulations?
i You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information.[/i]
Not saying it’s not possible to get away with not engraving…just saying that’s why people do it. Hardly a myth.
no myth you either engrave the lower, barrel, or upper.
if you know better please substantiate with proof
but it has to be engraved.
Scroll down to part (c)
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=27:3.0.1.2.4.7.27.2&idno=27
Maybe a Lawyer needs to look at that part but to me it means if I provide the correct documentation then “they may” not require me to engrave.
Maybe the ATF doesnt care. Maybe you’ll never met an ATF agent in your life, and if you do, maybe he won’t care. From where I sit, the regulation looks pretty clear and I’m not persuaded by your proof that the need to engrave is a myth. Seems like shelling out the $50 and getting it engraved has little downside and is a lot simpler.
the may seems like more paper work that may or may not get approved once my form comes back imgetting the upper, lower, or barrel engraved and be done with it as i wont be selling it.
and you have to show it wont hinder the administration.
i dont like when the atf says may or may not. very first thing i read was must be engraved so ill stick with that:thank_you2:
It seems as if the rule is fairly clear. Whether or not you choose to do so, is another story.
They actually don’t seem clear at all. The way to unregister a sbr lower that you didn’t build from scratch if to give them the factory serial number and information , not the added info that everyone says needs to be engraved.
I think people are getting confused as to building one from scratch and using a already manfactured lower.
Well I am pretty sure that most knowledeable people would disagree with you.
If you take a stripped lower and build it into an ABR then you manufactured it. That seems pretty clear to me. In the end you can do whatever your heart desires.
I think the rules are very clear as written, and I think subsequent clarification statements and letters from BATF have further clarified. The thing that has made it unclear is the lack of any enforcement data, even anecdotes. I’ve never seen or heard of any individual NFA enforcement encounters by any ATF agent, and I’d be pretty surprised if there ever are, so it’s easy for some people to convince themselves that this is a grey area and those people decide that the regulations are actually “myth”.
So, the regulations are clear, BATF’s seriousness about enforcement or their practical ability to enforce isn’t. The downside to engraving is so minimal that, for me, it’s just as easy to obey the law and not spend any effort to try to convince myself that the law is actually a myth.
No, it means you may request, in writing, a variance allowing you to mark your firearm in some way that does not conform with the requirements of paragraph 102.
It’s not a myth, there are a number of letters from the ATF out there which are quite clear on this regulation. Here’s one from last year.
No. The original manufacturers information will remain on the rifle and thus is valid on the Form 1. The company or person that converts it then puts their information on it. If you want to ever convert it back to a non-SBR, you can mark the barrel per the ATF’s regulations. The gunsmith will just put their company name, state and city on it.
You can also send your rifle out to have it engraved by an engraver while you’re waiting on the paperwork to come back if you plan on doing the conversion yourself.
So, Hop…is your questioned answered yet?
So instead of engraving on the lower, I can engrave on the barrel? Can I engrave under the handguards? Or does it have to be readily visible?
Also, about the engraving “myth”, my SBR will not be a safe queen or a range toy. It will be set up for HD/SD use, but hopefully I’ll never have to use it in that role. However, if I do, I would rather have abided by the law, to the very letter of the law, whether necessary or not, so that I can give them one less thing to try to convict me on.