GRSC Scope

Tactical Gear Optics & Mounts
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I just got back from a very interseting shooting session. I went out with Ed Verdugo from GRSC to test a prototype 1-4x illuminated combat scope he is testing that features his patented General Purpose Reticle. This variant is calibrated for 62 gr. bullets from a 1/7 M4 14.5" barrel. I just happen to have a really good Noveske Afghan barreled Colt.

We went to West End gun club in SoCal and were fighting winds that went from steady 20 mph, to gusts to over 60 mph…great range day:rolleyes: , and thank God for steel targets.

We zero’d the rifle (with both the GRSC scope and my TA55…thanks to Mark LaRue for making optics swaps totally easy and accurate) and went to work.

The 100-200 yard stuff was disgustingly easy with the center dot of the “Horseshoe” reticle. Even with the wind, we were easily able to make rapid hits. We had a few shooters ranging from Ed and I with extensive shooting experience to a young man who had never fired a rifle in his life. The rookie (with strong young eyes and good health) was hitting steel silhouettes at an alarming rate. THe scope makes this stuff easy once he was shown how to range and use the reticle.

We went to the long range and were hitting easily at 300 yards with the 300 yard dot…dead on. The 400 yard target was down, and it was almost imposible to get really good spotting on it, so we moved to a humanoid size steel target at a lasered 532 yards with Winchester 62 gr. police training ammo. We all got some hits using the 5-600 yard dots and the horizontal lines that equate to 10" spacing in that are of the scope for windage correction for the horrendous 30-60+ mph winds we were getting flowing out of two seperate canyons…this was very tough shooting conditions.

We were concerned about having to use a 550-600 yard dot to get on with elevation, so we switched to Canadian SS109 NATO ammo…whole new ball game. This was definately hotter and was hitting dead on-a hair low with the 500 yard dot, and a hair high with the 550. Once we got the wind figured out, the novice shooter got three back to back hits at dusk at a measured 532 yards on a 30" wide target in horrendous conditions just by using the reticle, and never touching a turret on a 4x scope. This is pretty impresive. When we switched the illumination on when it got dark, it was a little too bright for my taste, but that is a compromise to get the daytime brightness up to a usable level.

This reticle design is the absolute hot ticket. Ed is working on prototype scopes at a nuts price-point (soldier usable and affordable). Hopefully, the scope will weather some tough testing as far as ruggedness.

My dream is to have Mark LaRue start building scopes with this reticle…my world would be perfect.

I have encouraged Ed to start posting here as I believe the experience and technical expertise of the folks here is on a higher level than other places he has been, and can provide a good arena to share what he is doing.

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i wonder if that’s the same scope ed showed me more than a year ago (i think USO might have made that prototype). if i recall correctly, the IOR CQB scope reticle is loosely based off ed’s GPCR horseshoe. i hope ed’s closer to getting it to market.

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i have been t&e enclosed horseshoe reticle for another company for over a year now… it has bdc hash and light horseshoe reticle…not a great reticle shot but you get the idea

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Steve,

Is that the Mueller 1-4x scope that was discussed for a long time over at the other site?

If it is how is it holding up and is illuminated reticle visible in bright day light?

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yes it is,

i have been one of the main tester for a while now

it has been beat to death by me on various gun’s

hk 91
m-14
ars and slug guns

the reticle is not going to be used the issue ofthe bdc and different ammo etc…

so we went back to square one.

new illumination system and regular crosshair, the new system is bright only about 200hours though battery life

final run will be either a german type with the new dot or regular reticle
and a one peice tube and a staright 20 mm not the flared 25 mm objective seen there!

it has held up great so far and tracked well i loan then to students to use and run at matches the fov at 1x is amazing

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Sure looks like the Meuller to me.

A “guy” on TOS, supposedly from Meuller, stated that the above reticle had been shitcanned, and the scope will go into production with a German #4 I believe.

Who the hell knows what will happen with the Meuller, my faith has been lost considering how long that thread has gone on and based on responses from the Meuller rep.

I hope the GRSC offering can come to market at the right price point for the average grunt, while retaining ruggedness and dependability. Time will tell…or not.

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I am that guy from TOS

i only test there gear, i dont work for them

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The GRSC reticle is not the same as the one above. I have been watching the progression of Ed’s search for the perfect optic and reticle combination for the last 17 years. I am convinced that his currently patented reticle is the way to go. THe issue now is the hardware to house it.

In regards to militarymoron (hey pal:) ), it is similar to the original USO version, but I think this new one actually done specifically for the M4 with GI issue ammunition is better. I only hope the hardware holds up. So far, the glass is excellent for its price point, and I am highly impressed with the prototype. Again, I think the reticle is right on the money, only time will tell on the rest.

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Yes, after I looked back at the thread I noticed that you had MI in common, and your typing “style” is unique. :wink:

Thanks for the info.

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if you saw the size of my hands you would know why :smiley:

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Nifty! Just a question, what’s your version of affordable? I’ve seen people call $3600 light fixtures affordable. I’ll have to watch both scopes closely! I really love my Meuller APV and if their 1-4x is comparable in price and quality my money might lie there. However the GRSC offering sounds really neat. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what affordable is :smiley:

ETA: Any pics of the GRSC?

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I recall a few years ago Ed’s scope i wont say cause its not my place but the bdc is cool

the mueller will be about 300-350 range

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[SIZE=“3”]NYETI,
Here are some pictures of the scope and the scope reticle. I’ll follow up with more information as soon as I can. [/SIZE]

ACTUAL SIZE OF SCOPE ON AR15 RIFLE

SPECS
[ul]
[li]1-4X 24mm front objective (true 1X)
[/li][li]30mm one piece tube
[/li][li]fast focus eyepiece with diopter range -2 +3.5
[/li][li]exit pupil 1X 24mm 4X 6mm
[/li][li]full multi-coated lenses
[/li][li]eye relief 1X approx. 3.5" 4X approx. 3"
[/li][li]nitrogen filled
[/li][li]water proof 3ft for 1 minute
[/li][li]shock proof tested at 2000g
[/li][li]glass etched FFP GPC M4-62 illuminated reticle
[/li][li]illumination reostat has 11 settings with off position between each setting
[/li][li]CR 2032 battery
[/li][li]battery life approx. 100hours on max illumination
[/li][li]spare battery storage under windage turret cap
[/li][li]windage and elevation adjustment .25" clicks
[/li][li]weight 16oz
[/li][li]length 11.25"-12" (dependent on eyepiece adjustment)
[/li][li]warranty 2 years
[/li][li]MSRP $450 Introductory price $350 (call for military, L.E., Firefighter discount)
[/li][li]expected delivery June '07
[/li][/ul]

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[b] OK at that price I will take one soon! Where do I sign up at? I have been wanting a 1-4x scope for my carbine but at some of the prices I decided to hold off but now…Im ready for one! Thanks for posting!

Grunt Out![/b]

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Oh Please be as good as advertised! That is a great optic for that price, you can count me in if it proves to be a solid and robust piece of equipment.

Keep it up!

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Having shot one, I want one, too. This thing comes into its own on the 300 yard plus arena. It is so easy to both range and shoot without ever touching a single knob, and in a manner that should work well in the real world (using the head as the object to range).

Many folks have already started the whole “made in China” issue. Well, I know for a fact that Ed has tried to get this thing done by numerous U.S. companies and been met with 'not invented here" syndrome, or they just can’t do them at a price point where average soldiers and cops can afford them. It has been a real battle. The company that is doing them for Ed is both established, and from what I have seen, responsive. The optical clarity on the prototype I shot is very impressive for the price.

Hopefully, some forward thinking dealers (that’s a hint Grant) will jump on this thing early, and they can start making their way into the hands of the folks who can really use them.

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Interesting, very interesting… in a good way.

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I guess it looks like the Horseshoe is back then?

This is looking like it could be a really great deal, considering the next step up is the $720 Meopta.

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I’ll take one.

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The specs are certainly interesting. I would venture that many of us just can’t afford/justify the S&B offering, and that creates a huge opening in the optics market.

The reticle on this offering seems terribly busy. It would seem that a specialized optic like this wouldn’t really need the offset ranging marks. They aren’t distracting in the “daylight” pics, but when the reticle was lit, the sight picture was busy. I wonder how well one would be able to get a quick snap sight picture from the low ready. I’d like to be able to spend time with one before making a final judgement, but at this point, I have some reservations. I look forward to seeing more, though.