I am curious as to folks thoughts on FFP vs SFP for a 1-6/8 variable. I am considering a Kahles k16i with either SM1 or SM2 mil-based reticles to use on a Knights ECC. Intended role is a GP rifle for 0-800m. Other contenders are the Bushnell 1-6.5 (FFP vs SFP), Bushnell 1-8.5 (FFP only), Leupy Mk6 1-6 with either 762 CMR-W or TMR reticle and Leupy CQBSS with H27.
I really like the DFP idea and if S&B ever gets their 1-8 Short Dot released and it proves reliable, that would likely be my ideal optic with the dot in SFP and H58 in FFP.
my first reaction is anything less than about 5x, I would universally want a SFP. on my 2.5-10 FFP, it’s kind of useless under 5x…
the one reservation to this is the SWFA 1-6 FFP which has a special reticle with a circle and MIL cross hair where on 1x you have a lit cross centered inside the circle but at 6x the circle expands completely out of view leaving just a mil reticle.
if this works as advertised, it’s a pretty nice solution that uses the concept of FFP to enhance, rather than hinder, low power usage…
JW
Is there a difference between a multigun compitition scope and a battle scope. I recognize durability difference and capped turrets but what about things I don’t know as far a ranging and reticle designs.
The Leupold Mark 6 was designed for a “battle” scope. Multigun competitors are just as hard on guns and gear as troops can be. Dumping guns in “drop barrels” on the run, slamming our gear around getting in and out of positions, our gear has to be just as durable.
The CM-RW 5.56 is FFP, at 1x it acts as a reddot, at 3x-6x it’s an excellent ranging reticle.
I think FFP is pretty useless below 6X. You won’t find many scopes in the 1-6 1-8 range with FFP and a good daylight bright illumination. For this power range give me a SFP any day. Now for precision scopes from 10x and up give me FFP.
Pat
Doesn’t the fact that the turrets lock and are turned only after engaging a push button obviate the need for capped turrets? Just curious why capped turrets are a must for you.
My knowledge of battle scopes is at the kindergarten level. I figure you drop or fall of your rifle you could push the locking cap and accidentally change your zero.
Have you considered the US Optics SR-8c with the CDMIL reticle?
Should be available very soon (like actually soon, not S&B 1-8 “soon” :)). The SR-8s, which has an illuminated but not daylight visible FFP reticle, has been out for a few months and everything I’ve read has been very positive. The SR-8c is the same scope but sports a SFP daylight visible dot with a non-illuminated FFP reticle. Nice summary with pics and reticle detail of the SR-8s version here, and recent thread here. There are some pics from SHOT on TOS of the dot on the SR-8c. I’m not usually the early-adopter sort but I’ve been thinking real hard about one of these.
It sounds great in theory. I have just heard of too many issues (years ago) with USO scopes sh&$!ing the bed that I would prefer to go with a more proven brand. I think I will be buying either the h27 CQBSS or mk6 1-6 CMR-W. I’m leaning toward the CQBSS.
I think that the mentioned reticles do very well in those optics when doing what they are designed for. I think that the CMR-W would benefit from a little tweaking, but it is very usable.
I was just in a very interesting conversation with a few experienced, well versed, highly proficient users, discussing TRMR2 versus H59 reticles, and it was only slightly more polite than a stand-off between Occupy protesters and UC Davis police.
Seriously though, both were unwavering in their support of their preferred reticle design, and I am of the opinion that training and repetition with a reality-based system that works is of more importance than what exact reticle is used.
yup. the benefits of FFP are that it keeps the reticle in ratio to image size regardless of power setting. but trying to range with a FFP scope at anything less than 10x is like trying to play that Milton Bradley Operation Game (you older guys will know what I mean… :D)
