Hey guys have a few boxes of federal fusion and federal fusion msr. Are they the same? I can see a few small differences mainly shell color, on box says it shows that the metal was heat treated properly . Also the msr seems to have some sort of paint/protectant around the primers. Have shot a box or so of each and cycled properly and was accurate but I wasn’t shooting for groups. Main question is are they the same exact projectile? And is one loaded hotter then the other?
I’m sure someone here does. Give it a day or two before bumping the thread please.
Straight from Federal Premium website.
I just tried a box of the 62gr Fed Fusion MSR. I was impressed. Ammo looked nice and clean, sealed primer, annealed case. And it shot very well. All 5 shot groups were well under 2moa with one crazy group at .55". A fluke for sure from My Colt 6920 with 6X scope at 100yds. But more accuracy than I expected. I did not chrono the ammo but it does not “feel” very hot or 556 pressure.
The Federal website is useless as it only shows a picture of the box and says nothing about the ammo. The box lists velocity at 2700fps. I assume that is from a 16" barrel. I would prefer 2900 from a 16"…
There is an explanation of each round with gel test results at the bottom of the page that I linked.
MSR is slower than the regular from what I remember reading. MSR stands for modern sporting rifle. Its downloaded to 2750 fps or something like that and the standard is 3000 fps. I run the standard in my 10.5" SBR because I want the little bit extra energy to start with.
You COULD run into pressure issues with the standard in an AR or your AR could run to fast with it. I havent, so far, had any issues with it through my 10.5" and, like I already said, through that gun I want the little extra to start.
This had its own thread awhile back… https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=128836
Federal 62gr Fusion, #223FS1, 3000fps, 24" test barrel
Federal 62gr Fusion (MSR), #F223MSR1, 2750fps, 16" test barrel
Speer 64gr GDSP (LE), #24448, 3000fps, 24" test barrel
So in reality both version of fusion are exactly the same(or damn near) since the stated velocities are from different barrel lengths? Thats how I would take it, but thats just a guess.
Does anyone use the Fusion as a home defense round?
Also, does the standard run just as well as the MSR in AR’s?
Since I could get it easily, I did pick up some Fusion for my HD mags. It is reasonably priced and some members here on M4C have had good things to say about it as well.
While I haven’t used the MSR version, the standard version ran just fine in my SBR with and without the suppressor.
Ya I think from researching looks like their basically the same round. Just stating velocities from different length barrels
Is it possible that the MSR has a cannilure and the standard round doesn’t? I’m not familiar with the rounds but it would make sense if that were the case.
sorry to dig up an old thread but instead of making a new one, thought it would be ok…
hornady has their 223 LE 62gr TAP barrier soft point they claim 3075 fps.
my question is; is there a preference in velocity on these soft points? do they perform better at less then NATO velocity?
i see the MSR claims 2750 fps and if one was shooting with an 11-12" barrel, that might be more like 2500 maybe? would they still open and penetrate enough to be effective?
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I’d like to know this as well.
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Federal 62 grain FUSION
The Federal 62 grain Fusion bullet appears to have a very similar design to that of the Speer 64 grain Gold Dot. Both are bonded bullets, have the same advertised muzzle velocity and both have the unique Gold Dot boat-tail shape.
It’s difficult to see with the naked eye, but the Fusion bullet has a “skived” tip.
As seen above, the Fusion bullet has a cannelure and the case mouth is crimped. The lot that I evaluated is loaded in Lake City 09 brass cases. The primer pockets are crimped and sealed and the load is charged with “ball” powder.
The advertised velocity for this load is 3000 fps. From a 20" Colt barrel with a NATO chamber, chrome lining and a 1:7” twist, the 62 grain Federal Fusion bonded soft-point had a muzzle velocity of 2877 fps. The claimed ballistic coefficient for this bullet is 0.339.
The accuracy of this load was excellent for a soft-point bullet. A 10-shot group fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15, at a distance of 100 yards, had an extreme spread of almost exactly 1 MOA. It will be interesting to see how this load performs after barriers.
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Enjoyed your post, Molon.
The Federal Fusion and Fusion MSR, in my opinion, would be good choices for HD rounds. Penetration is only around 9" in Gel, but expansion is massive. According to this TNoutdoors9 test, the MSR actually produces a higher velocity from a 20 inch barrel than the standard Fusion. Anyway, PSA has the MSR right now for $15.99 per 20.
Interestingly enough, the Fusion (.31 BC) has the best ballistic coefficient when compared to the Federal LE223T3 (.22 BC) and the Gold Dot 24448 (.27), which equates to a couple hundred FPS difference at 300 yards.
I’ve used the standard Federal Fusion 62 gr on multiple coyotes and it creates massive wound channels from what i’ve seen. My HD gun is loaded with 5.56 LE Speer 64 gr Gold Dots, but I would feel comfortable running the Federal Fusion 62 gr as a defensive load. From what i’ve read, it seems very similar in construction to the Speer Gold Dots.
I didn’t see that test, but 9" sounds pretty low compared to docGKRs testing and the test in the thread below. Most likely just a fluke. You test enough rounds, you’ll have variation, and that sounds at the low end if it was a proper test.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?170234-223-gel-test-Federal-62-gr-Fusion
Fed Fusion is my go-to.