Endeavor Gear Cobra Gun Belt Review

Endeavor Gear Cobra Gun Belt Review

  1. I paid full retail price for this belt
  2. I have no association with Endeavor Gear.
  3. I am not a soldier or a police officer. I am a recreational shooter with a fairly high round count, and a job that requires me to wear a lot of fall protection gear.
  4. I found Endeavor gear by typing “Cobra Gun Belt” into google. The first hit was a thread on the forum “zombie squad” in which the owner of Endeavor Gear was advertising his belts. I had been thinking about a good gun belt and decided to ask some questions. When I liked the answers I was getting, I decided to order a belt.
  5. Endeavor Gear does not appear to have a website, or if they do, I haven’t seen it. I did notice, however, that they do sell their belts on eBay under then name “offpistekw”. My dealings with them were conducted first through Zombie Squad forums, then through email with owner Kary Welch. He may be contacted at chute43@yahoo.com

Subsequent images potentially NSFW (not safe for wife)

This is a review of the 1.75” Cobra Gun Belt from Endeavor Gear. I got mine in Coyote Brown with a Foliage Green buckle. The buckle is really more of a medium grey with a slight green tint to it, which Kary Welch, the owner of Endeavor Gear, advised me of before I ordered, so I got exactly what I wanted. Overall I found Mr. Welch to be excellent to deal with and very helpful. He is a career firefighter and EMT and has extensive climbing experience, so his advice on this sort of gear is worth listening to in my opinion. One thing that struck me immediately about Mr. Welch was his recommendation NOT to rappel or climb with his belts. There is no reason his belts are less sturdy than any other rigger-type belt; the point is that, as Mr. Welch noted, there is no government agency in the world which would sanction a simple belt as an acceptable climbing harness. Could it be used as such in an emergency? I wouldn’t hesitate to trust my life to an Endeavour belt…but Endeavour does not bill itself as building climbing gear, because belts alone are just not enough for safe climbing. Fortunately for me, I climb for a living, so all my expensive climbing gear is paid for!

I ordered his standard 1.75” Cobra Gun Belt with one modification: Loop Velcro on the inside. I also got a double layered 1.5” inner belt with Hook Velcro on the outside, so that I could run the inner through the belt loops of my pants and leave my holster and mag holders on the outer belt if I wanted. Since I mainly plan to use this belt for training and IPSC shooting, this is a good approach for me. I can also run the outer belt as an every day wear item, and it’s tempting because the belt is really nice. If I could carry concealed up here in Canada I would certainly use it for that purpose, but that’s illegal here, so it’s more of a training/competition rig.

The Cobra buckle is well known in some circles but not others; I will briefly explain it here for the benefit of those who are not already familiar with it. It is a heavy load bearing quick-release buckle from AustriAlpin, an Austrian manufacturer of mountaineering, safety, rescue and military hardware. The buckle will not release under load and has its load ratings etched into the buckle itself (9 kilonewtons in this case – 1 newton being the force required to accelerate one kilogram to a velocity of one meter per second, every second. Rough shorthand conversion – this buckle will hold up a weight of about 1 ton). The buckles are made from 7075 Aluminum with solid brass internal release parts, according to the manufacturer. They are ridiculous overkill for a belt buckle, but then I shoot ridiculously overpressure 10mm handloads as my primary handgun ammo…overkill is what I do.

Now on to the belt itself: the webbing is double-layered mil-spec 4088 resin-coated parachute harness webbing which I am told has a load rating of 6000 pounds, not that I intend to get much fatter. Seams appear to be double-stitched throughout and the stitching is clean and straight, whether on the edge seam or simply attaching the hook and loop. All stitching appears to be with #138 thread, which is 24-pound test and, I am told, difficult to work with but the ultimate in strength. There is a V-ring attached an inch or two left of the female side of the Cobra buckle, as is popular with riggers’ belts, although as mentioned earlier, this V-ring does not mean you should go jumping out of a helicopter secured only by your belt. Although I bet your bet would hold up just fine, you are really placing a lot of faith in your pants to not castrate you at that point… The V-ring is held down by a section of ½” webbing which is kept secured by a Velcro tab.

The double layered webbing makes for a very rigid belt, perfect for supporting the weight of a holstered gun, and making for a much cleaner draw. When laid down overtop the velcro’d inner belt, this thing is like a steel band around your waist, only more comfortable. But there is no flex. If you are looking for a belt to load down with duty gear, I can’t see doing it better than this. The webbing is stepped down to a single layer to fit through the male end of the Cobra buckle, and the loose end is folded back and retained by yet more Velcro, resulting in a nice, clean look and no loose anything to tuck in to belt loops. It’s surprising how nice this belt looks…it’s a bit mil-emerg-serv looking but somehow kind of classy.

Even the inner belt is a sturdy piece of engineering…it has about a six inch overlapping hook-loop closure which alone seems to have a tensile closure strength of around 200 pounds – just out of curiosity I was putting one foot in the belt and pulling up on it to see how easily the Velcro let go and I think my back might go first. It’s double-layered webbing as well, although I ordered the inner in 1.5” just to make it easier to slip in to jeans. Still, it’s fairly rigid in its own right, although not to the ridiculous degree of the outer belt. I’d say it’s maybe twice as rigid as the single-layer TDU belt that came free with my 5.11 pants, or about as stiff as a leather work belt, say.

In some ways, the best part of the Endeavor Gear belt is the price, though. They are the best deal I know of in the Cobra belt game, and the price is even more competitive from the perspective of Canadians, who have to deal with international shipping.

The standard price as of this writing was $50 for the Cobra Gun Belt. I paid $55 for mine including the Velcro lining, plus another $15 for the Velcro lined inner belt. For Canadians, consider that shipping was a measly TWELVE BUCKS to get it to my door. Some companies, probably on account of the shipper they use, quoted me around four times that amount and as any Canadian knows, surprise shipping costs can be a killer. But there were NO extra costs…the belt was shipped trouble-free via USPS.

The price tag is even better when you stop to think that a Cobra buckle ALONE goes for about $30.

Finally, there is less of a backlog for one of Endeavor’s belts than any other custom maker I have recently seen. From the time I first discussed the belt with Mr. Welch to the time it arrived was about 5 weeks, and from the time I paid until the time I received was a little under 4. Considering I think I am on the Canada Customs “hassle and delay list” for my constant ordering of gun parts, I’d say that’s pretty good. I believe the belt was finished and shipped within a week of payment.

So if you are considering a Cobra gun belt, I would have a good hard look at Endeavor gear. I don’t know how a belt could be built much better than this and I can’t see how you could pay this little for anything remotely equivalent.

Thanks for the review. Now could we have some pics from further out? :smiley:

I saw this not to long ago when I was looking at making my own riggers belt. Definitely resembles an ares belt but If the turn around is fast I might look into trying one out.

Nice… Belt, yah belt…

Yeah, I kind of figure all the belts resemble each other quite a bit. I am not sure exactly how much innovation you can really put in to a rigger’s belt…if the stitching and materials are good, well…what else is there? It’s a couple of layers of webbing and some velcro. They should all be pretty much the same IMO.

One interesting product Endeavor makes is a belt with an offset V ring…it’s on a separate “spur” of webbing which velcros down to the main belt, and which pulls off to give a six inch extension for clearing armour or other gear. If I needed to climb with my belt, or thought I would ever climb with my belt, particularly while wearing any other gear (in my case, not guns but more probably tools of some kind) I would have gotten one of these. But as I say I have a LOT of dedicated climbing gear so climbing in the belt is extremely improbable in my case.

Although I would guess it’s even MORE improbable for most other people, just because I do actually spend a few hours a day “aloft” and it’s a little tempting to do it with just the belt one time…but man, I would get fired in a heartbeat if I ever got caught climbing without a true harness.

I was torn about whether to include these pics here because they aren’t really in keeping with the general professionalism of this site, I guess. But a) I get very bored of the usual humourless or otherwise unmemorable gear pics I see, not here specifically but all over the internet, and b) I was about three or four Old Milwaukee tall cans in and thought, “screw it, I’m sure they can delete them if it bugs somebody”.

Great review! I have something in mind along these same lines… the review pictures, not the belt :wink:

I was thinking the exact same thing. Whoever constructed the belt definitely couldn’t be in it to make any real money considering the cost of the materials + labor. Besides theres nothing wrong with a little competition it keeps us consumers happy:D. I think Ares uses type 13 scuba nylon vs the mil-spec 4088 resin-coated parachute harness webbing you mentioned. I sort of see Ares headed on the same path Raven Concealment is on after the release of AOTD. Wait times have shot up and I’m hearing cs is starting to plummet a tiny bit. I agree you should post more pics up.

I appreciate the review. I had seen those belts on eBay, but had hesitated to purchase one.

Thanks for taking the time to post, I’m going to proceed and order.

Nice review, I am searching around and the owner of Endeavor Gear seems to be all about making sure people get what they need. Probably gonna get one since I have lost enough weight to merit a new belt purchase.

EDIT: I was contacted to be thanked for a compliment given to the owner of Endeavor Gear. Since I was ready to order, and sifting through my web history to find the guys email, I used that as an opportunity to see if I could get a belt made the way I wanted it. At the end of 8 emails, I have my custom belt made, with a few tweaks to the standard design shown in the OP.

Belt? What Belt?

First, that’s a good looking belt. He obviously knows what he’s doing.
Second, I’m the owner of Ares Gear, so take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Third, we use Type13 4088 webbing in our Cobra and Discrete Rigger; only the Ranger and Backpacker use scuba webbing.
Fourth, anyone with CS problems can reach us either through the site, via email, or on Facebook. Wait times have increased, yes, but I don’t think CS has decreased.
Fifth, that’s a good looking belt…and no, I don’t think he’s making any real money off of it. The pricetag on that hardware is pretty painful.

For the record - just in case there is any confusion I just want to quickly clarify this - I didn’t pick Endeavor on the basis of any perceived problems with any other brands. I had a good conversation with Kary Welch and thought he would do a good job on my belt, and the short wait time was a bonus, and then the shipping to Canada was an extra bonus.

I know nobody’s implying that I have a bone to pick with anyone, I just also know what it’s like to quickly scan a thread, and get the wrong impression.

So for the record I have no knowledge of Ares gear’s wait times or customer service or anything else.

But if the owner of Ares says my belt looks good, I figure I have a damn good looking belt!

Being that my sample size was one I apologize If I tarnished your rep with that statement. Anyways I didnt know there was a difference between Type13 and scuba nylon. Is one more durable vs the other?

Type13 is one example of webbing made to the 4088 military specification. Scuba webbing has no military specification that I’m aware of, leading to varying standards, which is one of the reasons Jones’s belt is radically “floppier” than ours; he’s buying from the wrong mill. DIY Tactical has a good chart showing the specs for various types of webbing within the 4088 spec; note the difference in markings between 7 and 13 (the two most commonly used types for rigger belts), and yet that both are more than suitable for a belt.

http://diytactical.com/blog/index.php/2008/12/mil-w-4088-webbing-spec/

This may have the case with a couple of early belts, but not in a long time. I have not heard any complaints on the stiffness of the scuba webbing I’m using.

JT