I was doing some pistol work today from concealment with a zippered jacket. Iwb, jacket zipped. Lifting edge of jacket in front of gun and sweeping back, drawing etc. Starting with hands in pocket looking down, and not in a firing stance, I was regularly 2sec from beep to first round fired. Using a 5” 1911. How is that? Distance from 5yds - 20yds 90% a zone hits with first round. Should I be ok with that or try to speed it up a little more?
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My expectation of 1st shot draw times at 20 yds is going to be considerably slower than at 5 yds- with 90% “A’s”.
I’m having trouble visualizing your description of; “….jacket zipped, ………sweeping back, drawing…”.
I’d consider 2 sec A zone hit at 5 yds relatively slow (1.5 sec. as standard) and relatively quick at 20 yds. (2.5 sec. A zone)-with zippered outer garment.
Is IWB position at 3/4 o’clock?
I guess it wasn’t sweeping back, more lifting jacket then bringing hand back. Jacket is somewhat tight at the bottom. And pistol is 4oclock carry
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Got it.
Have you given AIWB a fair shot?
I’m old and carried IWB 3 or 4 o’clock for ever. However AIWB allows for more efficient draw stroke with cover garment; less movement required. Also more efficient holster position for seated/driving.
It was difficult for me to make that transition, but it certainly has benefits.
So much this. Especially shines in winter, much faster and easier to get the gun out.
From concealment, I am always faster from AIWB, no matter the season.
For me, in similar clothing configuration, AIWB as I usually carry, my avg. for 1st shot in “A”/“O” @ 7 yards is 1.54 lately. We can get that to 1.2ish @ 3-5 yards.
Agreed that farther out, you’ll necessarily be taking a bit more time. I haven’t timed myself on a hit @ 20 yards in a good while.
I think as long as you’re meeting the 2 second standard, that’s good, but I think you do want to be faster close-in.
When driving and carrying AIWB I slip the seatbelt between body and grip of pistol.
This allows quick access to pistol without fighting seatbelt, arm rest or seat.
Carrying 3 or 4 o’clock IWB was a cluster trying to draw from seated/buckled in position.
I’m not big, I could stand to lose 10lbs or a, and carry full size 1911s. How will that be aiwb?
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Slide length being only possible downside. Depends on body/Torso proportions.
I carry a “Commander” length 2011 and it’s no problem. I do have a bit of a gut too.
I just stumbled into AIWB carry. I was walking into the movie last week and said to myself, I’ll just toss my gun in my A while I get into the movie. Then when in the movie, I sat down and was comfortable then I kept it in…
I’m very surprised how much I like it. Late bloomer
PB
Sounds like I need to find a good aiwb.
Any suggestions on where to start?
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I’m sure there’s endless supply of adequate makers.
I use Tier 1 Concealment and QVO Tactical holsters.
That brings up another question. What is the diff between a “A” holster and a regular IWB holster?
PB
Sometimes the cant of the holster, but that depends on the maker. Some traditional IWB holsters have a 15-30 degree cant, whereas a vertical draw is preferred with appendix carry. It’s mostly semantics, given it’s common to find IWB holsters these days that offer adjustable draw angles.
Much more than semantics, AIWB specific holster will often have the inclusion of a claw/wing and/or padding near the muzzle, both of which are features that can cant the butt of the gun closer to the body to provide better concealment, with neither features being found in typical IWB holsters used in the 0300 to 0400, as there’s somewhat less utility there, particularly the muzzle pad.
Indeed, FAR more than semantics.
There are some subtle things in the design that make the difference, in concealment and comfort.
Take any high quality straight-drop IWB, stick it up front.
Do same with a purpose made AIWB. There is a difference.
Me, I use JMCK products for this. They are top notch. All G17 length, usually carrying an optic equipped G19 build.
Wing Claw 2.0 w/ 1 strut w/ fixed soft loop for when tuckable is needed. Standard AIWB w/ fixed soft loops for regular daily concealment. Both with “extra tuck” option, no pad.
Very comfortable, very concealable, fast draw.
Works great when hiking too, totally out of the way of the ruck.
The cant (or lack of) and claw are the big differences to me.
I also use a T1C foam “wedge” on bottom of holster, which helps hold the pistols grip tighter to body, as the claw does.
Does anyone download a round for nutsack security. I know it means you are going to be slower racking the slide but carry in peace?
PB
I will presume that you’re not using the hip belts, because there ain’t no way I can use AIWB while rucking.
If you’re not competent enough to carry with a loaded chamber in general, sure. Don’t see why AIWB makes any difference.
Oh HELL No.
If I want Peace, I’ll just stay home PB.
This and I’ve also found it gives a little cushion when bending over.