My apologies if there is already a thread about this but it look like the people who make the Dillon Minigun (Dillon Aero) have started a new sub-brand called DRC and their first product is a line of AR triggers that have a built in safety mechanism that is designed to limit the chances of a negligent discharge from objects unintentionally coming in contact with trigger.
I’m sure there will be some controversy and debate about the necessity of something like this. I’m personally on board with extra safety layers which is why I’m a fan of Wilson Combat’s AR triggers with their half cock notch. But this DRC trigger does have a more complex mechanism than a more traditional trigger which introduces another point of failure. It’s an interesting design nonetheless. I’d love to hear some more thoughts on this trigger.
I don’t see the point and the complexity doesn’t inspire confidence in regards to harsh environments. Sure I know that product improvement can be a positive venture but is this really that? Pretty freaking simple, keep the safety on until you need to hit the trigger and don’t touch the trigger until then.
But after seeing the cool guys in camo–that sold me for sure:sarcastic:
This does seem like a pretty niche offering for sure. It’s seems like it was designed specifically for people running a lot of kit that could catch on the trigger when the rifle is slung. Not a bad idea honestly given the popularity of light, snappy short throw safeties that are super easy to disengage.
I certainly wouldn’t consider Dillon to be a pop up company since they have legit military contracts. Their minigun is a work of art and they make some of the best reloading equipment in the industry. Not trying to be a dick but Dillon is about as far away from a pop up as you can get. The only reason I’m taking this seriously at all is because it’s Dillon.
When Wilson Combat came out with their TTU, there were plenty of people who said the same thing. I would like to do the same sort of testing on this trigger from Dillon as we did on the TTU. In using the assembly in 10,000 drops of the hammer, we got a pretty good idea of how the trigger would hold up, as well as if there was any degradation or improvement in the feel. In the case of the Wilson Combat TTU, I came away impressed.
I’m super impressed with my Wilson ETU-M2. Best AR trigger I’ve ever owned honestly. My one and only gripe is the lack of a straight shoe option, which is my preference. I’ve asked Wilson to make one and they didn’t seem interested unfortunately. I don’t think they sell many AR triggers to be honest so they probably don’t think its worth investing more into their trigger line.
Have you reached out to Dillon to test this trigger? I certainly would. They would probably be open to letting you do a long term reliability test.
The new Savage trigger safety is a pain in the ass. Was helping sight in a buddies new rifle with it and had several dead trigger drops, for both of us, because the trigger wasn’t pulled straight back enough to release the firing pin. I took it home and yanked that stupid thing out. Now his trigger drops as it was meant to and still has a manual safety.
I don’t really see a need for this, and I don’t foresee a lot of people wanting this added to their weapons. Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
The website literally says “this is a new company” so I don’t think it’s fair to associate them with whatever past success their sister company had. Also, if this is their first offering, that’s not good. The site reeks of the fluff and buff I would expect to see from whoever made that charging handle we were talking about a few weeks ago.
I have not, but I don’t know anyone over there. One of the issues I have found is that many companies outsource their marketing and social media, and the people who handle the account are not open to sending out product or anything else which could make it look like someone else is getting the company good PR. Which out actual contacts in the company, its a waste of time in many cases.
Either that or I’m just lazy, which is entirely possible as well.
I’m sorry but I strongly disagree. Past success absolutely can be a pretty accurate predictor of future success. I think it’s a “new company” for marketing purposes only which makes sense since their products are very different from both Dillon Aero and Dillon Precision. The Dillon family is clearly very involved in this new project so I don’t know why you would assume that the quality they offer in their other products will not be present here.
I don’t think I agree with the “marketing fluff” comment either. The marketing seems pretty straightforward to me. When you make a new product, you have to explain why you designed it the way you did. They wanted to design a trigger that was less likely to be set off from contact from foreign objects. The design makes sense if that was the goal. Negligent discharges from a soldier’s kit do happen. It’s not common but it does happen. It’s honestly a matter of perspective. The marketing will seem like BS fluff if you go into it thinking the design is stupid and pointless.
I think the design has potential. I like to run a very light, snappy, short throw safety. I have accidentally bumped my safety to the fire position when the rifle was slung and I was surprised to find that my gun was already hot the next time I went to fire. I could also see how someone in a very stressful situation could forget to re-engage their safety after firing. This trigger could be useful to teach new shooters better trigger discipline and consistent finger placement. I run very light triggers in my guns and it does make me a little nervous letting friends and family shoot them when they are inexperienced. A trigger like this is still light but it reduces the likelihood of an inexperienced shooter having negligent discharge. Let’s say you are one of those guys that likes the BAD Lever. I personally don’t like it because I think having an action control inside the trigger guard increases the chances of a negligent discharge. If someone was running this trigger and a BAD Lever, the chance of that happening is greatly reduced.
Yes, it’s too expensive. I think a lot of triggers are really overpriced. I blame Geissele for charging $230 for a very simple trigger design. That pushed the price of “premium” triggers up across the industry. Hopefully that high price gets you very high quality materials, precise tolerances and good QC.
Didn’t marketing get the memo that we’re larping against ruskies and greenside is back in?
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I think theres a time and a place for short throw safeties and match triggers - 2/3gun, range, DA etc. Not rolling around in in the fields or woods patrolling. This seems geared towards the latter, take it off safe until you know you’re clear.
Geissele started bringing down their trigger prices and moved quickly with ALG to cannibalize the market & keep others out. ELF, hiperfire, WC and a bunch of others have been pushing back on lower priced parity features, or much better GI triggers for a while. Starting to see more friends who do competition pull Geissele and try out alternatives.
I’ve definitely considered switching my safeties from 60 degrees to 90 but I’ve been too lazy to pull them out. But I agree that a short throw probably isn’t the best idea on a duty AR. Whatever my safety caught on probably would have disengaged the safety anyways even if it had be set to a 90 degree throw. You could also increase the safety detent tension with a ball bearing at the bottom of the spring hole in the grip.
I don’t have anything against Geissele but I do think the price point he set has raised the prices for aftermarket triggers in general. In order to be taken seriously, I think a lot of companies set their prices near Geissele. The Larue MBT-2S is really priced as low as it is because I think Mark really wanted to give Bill the finger. I recall that trigger being much more expensive when it was launched.
This Dillon trigger seems to be priced similarly to high end drop ins like the Elftmann and Triggertech. At least they aren’t totally ****ing with you like Q is with their $350 single stage drop in.