I’d rather trust “The Chart”, than ads from Rock River. :rolleyes:
Since I have a choice, I’ll stick with the stuff I can count on.
Nope :rolleyes: I own Colts and LWRCs. Anything else you want to be wrong about ?
My own issue is a Colt but I know several issued RRA’s…I haven’t seen either crap out.
How many DEA contract RRAs have you used that have gone TU ?
I love my Rock River middy. It and the carbine have never missed a beat. I do plan on snagging a BCM bolt for my girl and keeping the RRA as my spare.
The facts remains, RRA is not a Colt, no where near the quality. The argument of “just as good as” because you’ve never seen it happen, is weak and ignorant. Check out the knowledge based threads and do some more reading. Anything else you want to be wrong about?
One my guys has a 16" RRA. Based on what I’ve seen I would not buy one for myself.
Red loctite on the castle nut, and no staking.
Commercial-dimensioned receiver extension.
Rifle extractor spring and insert, not carbine.
Insufficient staking on the carrier key.
Dremelled feed ramps, performed after anodizing. The angles are different on each and the angle of the left side ramp in the barrel extension overhangs the left side ramp in the upper receiver.
2 stage trigger with low-mass hammer - would not reliably detonate primers in XM855.
My personal opinions aside, I know some of the FBI weapons guys (testers, not trigger pullers), and they love the RRA guns…wouldn’t trade them for any Colt. That said, I would be surprised if the next FBI carbine is again made by RRA.
Did I every say RRA was “just as good” ? I swear, some people cannot read or pay attention in an objective manner. Don’t try and lecture me. Weak and ignorant ? Don’t even go there. All I stated was that the DEA contract RRA’s were performing well. Now go back and clutch your Colt/LMT/etc and tell it everything is ok the bad man won’t hurt them.
Steel_Weasel & rharris2163
Simmer down!
I know 'em too. Which leads me to stay the heck away from RRA.
Now THAT, is an interesting statement…
i find it odd that RRA gets these .gov contracts.
how many parts in each rifle does RRA actually manufacture? i was under the impression they they pretty much just assemble parts rifles, but i very well could be wrong about that.
i do know that their barrels are 1/9, 4140, the receiver extensions are commercial, etc.
you would think that .gov carbines would be closer to .mil TDPs, but its clear that the training with on these weapons is at a much lower intensity with a lower round count. so apparently they don’t think those specs are necessary.
Um … the FBI (and by extension, DEA) got RRA’s because only three guns made it to the final test-firing stage in their procurement: Colt, RRA, and SIG (551).
The SIG 551 far outshone the others in terms of reliability, but was priced extremely high. SIG was given a contract, and I believe I total of two rifles were purchased off the contract.
RRA faired much better than the Colt, and was also given a contract. Pretty much every AR purchased by FBI and DEA (with the exception of certain special units) has been an RRA. While I can’t speak to the quality of the RRA guns coming off the production line today, the ones that were being produced back in '03 ran very well. Not only did the FBI discover this, but I know quite a few people who jumped on the RRA bandwagon back then and they’re still extremely happy with the performance of their Rock River guns from that era.
If you want to ask me that questions I would say no less than a dozen. Some with the Marshalls and some with Capital Police. (all who piggy backed on the contract). Now mind you, this is out of thousands.
Bears repeating. You and I’s RRAs may not be the ones .gov is getting.
Not that I’m comfortable with the Dept. of Treasury arming up…
-B