A superior fire control group? Anyone familiar?
They are talking about the 2-stage trigger probably? Nice sales pitch. They wanted EOTech too.
If I had to guess, I would say this is somehow related to the DEA contract.
And this is the same government that some want to trust with their health care etc. I will keep my colt’s and LMT’s and they can have their rock rivers.
But they could have got this for less, and it’s just as good.
http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=1828
You can climb down off your high horse. The Rock Rivers in Govt (FBI/DEA) service has performed well…and they actually get used in real situations.
I’d like to see their malfunction stats. I have friends in DEA that point them at people a lot and like to see BG’s shit their pants, but it is a rare occasion that they get to shoot the BGs. Just pointing it at most BG’s is enough of a deterrent. They (the weapons) do get used, but they rarely get shot.
Rarely get shot eh ? What do your friends say ? When I talked to DSU about them they voiced nothing but satisfaction.
That is exactley it. They can piggy back on that contract so it does not have to go to open bid again.
The IRS removing a family from their home because of back taxes is not combat.
Although Colt & LMT may make a better rifle, Rock River seems to have a better Salesperson and that’s what matters!!! Your product can be the best, but it will be outsold by inferior products if your salespeople suck!
Well this maybe true butttttt Rock River is not selling weapons to the military but does to the LEO however they also do not make a weapon to milspec. Lets face it Colt and LMT sell everything they can make with most all of their production ability going to military. Why would they want to go after a low cost bid when they are building a rifle to a higher level.
I work for a US manufacture who makes the best product in our industry. We do not try nor want to compete with low cost manufactures. They are low cost because they do not meet our quality so they have nothing but price to offer. We sell everything we make and then some so why lower our price? Colt and LMT will have the same attitude.
I am not bashing Rock River, they are an above average rifle however for the price point you can spend a couple hundred more and have a true milspec rifle. I didn’t mean to bash them just meant to point out that the US Gov does not pick the best but a low cost item and it has lives on the line. I don’t want to have to trust them for picking me a doctor, medicine etc if this is how they view peoples lives. That was my point not saying that RR is bad but it sure is not the best.
Also important to note:
At the manufacturer level, the product that ships to certain customers might be conspicuously or subtly different than those shipping to everyone else. Some users receive more QC/TLC than others.
At the user level, some apply greater inspection processes than others, have lower rejection thresholds, or do more PM on arrival. The FTU at one particular agency is known for completely rebuilding the guns it gets before they hit the road.
Neither tidbit will get much play in the gun press, for obvious reasons.
That’s “the rest of the story” as they say, and usually the best part.
RRA passed the tests, and passed well, that it was required to. If the Agency’s that chose it were not satisfied it would not have been selected. While not military, LEO’s from these Agency’s put their ass on the line every day as well.
You have a choice. Carbine A works 100% of the time and it costs more. Carbine B works 100% of the time…and because it cost less, you also get an aimpoint and tactical illuminator. Which are you going to choose.
I would not say well. They are average. No knock on them, but many the “shooters” in that arena of work, DO NOT run there guns very hard at all !
Also, they won (99%) because of the cost. That is a fact !
Well I would take the one that cost a bit more and is milspec. I know that a Marine will not go to battle with a Rock River. I trust the Military more when it comes to designing a Military weapon. If it is important to the Military it should be important to anyone who will or may use it to protect their life. Check out the sticky that compares all the major guns and then tell me what you think of RR. Hell the S&W M&P is closer to milspec then a RR.
Let them do that. When a DEA or SS agent is killed because of a weapon-related malfunction, the bean counters responsible for that decision have his blood on their hands.
Because no Colt or LMT has ever malfunctioned right ? :rolleyes: A couple of M16A2’s I was issued in the Corps should never have made it past QC but they did. A shooter in a Pat Rogers class next to me had his LMT crap out after relatively little use (as I define relatively little).
I’ve used and abused Colts for years and trust them…I’ve seen RRA’s get hammered as bad or worse and they always went bang as well. You guys can all get out the rulers and measure your tools til the sun sets. The RRA’s work well. You like Colt/LMT/etc., thats fine no one says they aren’t great.
I take it that the reason you are defending RRA AR’s so vehemently is because you must own one right???
What is the Big diff between an LMT/Colt and a RRA. I have a Colt, and I like it–but what is the diff?