But even more than I love the 1911, I would love to hear the criteria for a set of government tests that put ANY 1911 ahead of the HK45.
Maybe if you based it solely on trigger pull on the first shot? That sounds like a rational basis on which a government agency should select pistols to me. Hey, it’s a .45…you won’t need more than one shot, right?
Anyway, I don’t normally (or ever) pray, but in this case I will. I will be praying for two things:
Im going to let the cat out of the bag, "Nutinfancy"ran the trials. And the winner is the new US made GlockCRGHK variant, that only secret people know about.
Flaw in your logic. He doesn’t care for 1911s. He would have selected the Kahr CM9 because it’s light weight, and they’d all be carrying it in a belly band.
So actually telling the truth about what happen is whining?
To be accurate they are not broken, they are new. In a few years, when we cannot afford to replace them, based on the how well they preformed in testing there will be a disproportional high number of broken one.
My days as a grunt are over and done but were I to need one of my several handguns to grab-n-go I’d grab one of my Glocks over my excellent, stellar shooting Springfield TRP.
The reason? Glocks just straight up work. No matter what.
That and they don’t break.
They’re truly ambidextrous, anyone can shoot them with almost no training, and they hold lots of ammo onboard.
I sure love me a good 1911 though and would never feel under armed with one.
I was referring to the current batches of recruits that are woefully undertrained, not tested, and then rapidly deployed to meet number quotas. Not that they are inherently inferior to previous soldiers.
Purposeful training cannot be acquired on a two-way range.
True. However, in the context of this thread, I believe the platform will be issued to MARSOC guys, and not generally issued across the Corps. The Marines fielding this new 1911 will, I am guessing, receive primary and sidearm training to a greater extent.
I like the new Colt, and I bet they’ll sell a metric shit-ton of the “civilian” version. (A production CRG cerakoted?) Hell…I’ll buy one. But the HK45 is a no-brainer for a combat .45ACP. I too would like to know the requirements for this new contract.
R0N: I’m more than willing to check back in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years from now to see how the M45s are running. There was plenty of information that was released about this test that was truly slanted. At this point in time, I’m looking to see what the first units downrange with the weapons report.
Lebowski: You have a .gov address? Wow, that’s awesome :rolleyes:. From reading some of your rants on here, other websites and your blog, I’m going to refrain from having my Uncle Sam provided e-mail address associated with yours. As for your often regurgitated “piles of broken 1911s last time I walked through” comment, I’ve walked through armories with piles and piles of Sigs, Glocks and HKs that need major attention before returning to the fray.
I’m not trying to play secret squirrel, all I’m trying to illustrate is that other government agenices testing firearms have scored the 1911 ahead of more “modern” platforms. I’m not saying the USMC was right or wrong, I’m just trying to show that they aren’t the only ones.
There are plenty of 1911s riding in US military holsters today, downrange. That doesn’t make the design a “God”, it just makes it one that is always in the running as a choice for a combat sidearm.
In closing, I was at the range within the past few days. There was a two year old G22 and a 1944 Remington Rand being put through their paces next to each other. Guess which one had the malfunction?
Not playing secret squirrel but making mysterious allusions to testing no one else has heard of. Got it. Not to mention the amount of armorer time a pile of broken 1911s requires over say SIGs and HKs.
Lebowski: I guess that .gov e-mail address come with plenty of downtime during the day to checkout one’s favorite websites? Thankfully, I’m home early today to carry on a conversation with you.
Just because you didn’t hear about testing doesn’t mean that it didn’t take place or that others haven’t been privy to the knowledge. The .net/.com world isn’t the be and end all.
Does anyone have a time table on when the first units will take delivery of the new M45s?
Yup, got spare time at my fed job and it’s awesome to be able to have time to read about you bitching on the internet about folks on the Internet.
It’s really funny that you tried to criticize me for being online… A sursory search of your screen name and “1911” shows you talking about this very subject on at least three different forums, posting several times during the normal work day. Several posts are you asking R0N for more info on the very subject you now claim to have knowledge on.
Pot meet kettle or just you’re a hypocrite who forgot about Google search. Either or.
Specifically, #6, especially since there’s no shortage of folks aboard that have a gov’t-sponsored email accounts, have ironclad work ethics, plenty to do…y’know, kinda like folks who have jobs at NON-gov’t entities. :eek:
You’re kinda painting with a broad brush, and mistaking it for being clever.
Your contribution, so far, isn’t exactly substantive, so take a step back from this thread, go to General Discussion, and read one of the stickied threads entitled The Good, The Bad, The Ugly. Try to take it a bit to heart, and bear both it and the rules (which you agreed to follow, when you registered) in your mind, when you post in threads…other than this one…in the future.
You do realize the Marine Corps put out a technical instruction (TI 09795B-OI) just last year to fix cracks in legacy 1911s. Also one of the reason the M45 have last so long was not really what most people like think, that it is an incredibly robust system. But instead that every two-three deployment cycles they were sent to PWS for rebuilding that normally involved replacing most if not all the parts. That was actually one of the big impetuous for a COT system PWS just could not keep up with rebuilds and new builds
This adoption was smart in the fact since it was replacement of an existing system so it didn’t require going through the JROC, etc.
IIRC, the HK45 was suppose to be part of the never happened new pistol trials for the army, as was the M&P 45. And Glock’s improvements/changes to the 21, to become the 21sf were also for those never happened trials. This might be what you’re thinking of.
LAV and Ken Hackathorn worked on the design of the HK, IIRC, as a replacement for Delta’s 1911s. You might be thinking of this as well.
