Colo Springs: Another Active Shooter Report....

this time in Colo Springs. At New Life Church up in the north end of town. Reports are very sketchy at this time, but 4-5 victims (not sure if that’s fatalities or people shot). Differing reports on the status of the shooter, one says “in custody”, the other says “deceased”.

Semi auto rifle involved, trenchcoat-clad shooter, maybe a 2nd shooter, that too is sketchy.

Some thought there may be a linkage to an attack on a faith-based property in Denver last night. The photo didn’t look like a church, not sure if it was a halfway house or a theological choolhouse or what.

This country is going crazy…

Has gone crazy…we are not in the process of any more. :mad:

I have been there for training (Terror at Beslan seminar - John Giduck) and have a couple friends (both LEO’s) that attend service there.

Just turned on the television. Info is still sketchy.

-Jeff

News report now says armed guard employed by the church stopped the shooter. Consider how this went down in light of the Omaha thread and the discussion about “first responders”.

Finally, someone took one of these little shits out. Here are some interesting bits of information:

"The first attack took place at the Youth With a Mission training center in the Denver suburb of Arvada, where two people were killed and two others wounded; the other occurred at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, where the gunman was shot and killed by a female volunteer security guard."

and

"Boyd said the security guard rushed the attacker, who didn’t get more than 6 feet inside the building, and “took him down in the hallway.”
“She probably saved 100 lives,” Boyd said of the guard. Murray, he added, “had a lot of ammunition to do a lot of damage.”"

The full artcle is below:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html

Colorado Church Shooting Sprees Linked, Gunman Identified
Monday , December 10, 2007

Fox News

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. —

Police have identified the gunman who killed two teenage sisters outside a Colorado megachurch Sunday as Matthew J. Murray, 24, of Englewood, Colo., FOX News confirmed Monday.

According to the Associated Press, a law enforcement official said Murray is believed to have carried out two deadly shooting sprees in Colorado Sunday—at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and at a missionary training school in Arvada.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation, said Murray was the son of a neurologist who is a prominent researcher on multiple sclerosis.

Five people — including a gunman — were killed, and five others wounded Sunday in the two eruptions of violence 12 hours and 65 miles apart.

The first attack took place at the Youth With a Mission training center in the Denver suburb of Arvada, where two people were killed and two others wounded; the other occurred at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, where the gunman was shot and killed by a female volunteer security guard.

The law enforcement official said Murray was believed to be the gunman in both attacks. Murray did not appear to have a criminal history but “hated Christians,” the official said. The official did not know Murray’s religion, if any.

According to reports, Murray had been kicked out of the Youth With a Mission school and had been sending the school hate mail.

Authorities searched the Murray home Monday on a quiet street in Englewood. No one was home when a reporter visited the split-level brick home early Monday. Murray’s father, Ronald S. Murray, is a neurologist who is chief executive of the Rocky Mountain Multiple Sclerosis Center in Englewood.

Matthew Murray lived there along with a brother, Christopher, 21, a student at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla.

A neighbor, Cody Askeland, 19, said the brothers were home-schooled, describing the whole family as “very, very religious.”

Christopher studied for a semester at Colorado Christian University before transferring to Oral Roberts, said Ronald Rex, dean of admissions and marketing at Colorado Christian. He said Matthew Murray had been in contact with school officials this summer about attending the school but decided he wasn’t interested because he thought the school was too expensive.

Murray opened fire with a high-powered rifle in the parking lot of the New Life Church Sunday. Stephanie Works, 18, and Rachel Works, 16, were killed when Murray entered the main foyer.

Their father, David Works, 51, was in fair condition with gunshot wounds to the abdomen and groin area.

A female security guard shot and killed Murray. New Life Church senior pastor Brady Boyd said Murray had no connection to the church and called the shooting a “senseless random attack.”

Also injured were Judy Purcell, 40, who suffered a gunshot wound to her right shoulder, and Larry Bourbannais, 59, who had a gunshot wound in his left forearm, police said. Both were treated and released.

“Our hearts are grieving this morning for them,” Boyd said.

The shooting occurred about 12 hours after a deadly shooting at the Youth With a Mission training center in Arvada, Colo., near Denver. Sources told FOX News that Murray had some connection to YWAM and had a grudge against the group.

The violence began about 12:30 a.m. Sunday, when a Murray started shooting inside a YWMA dormitory after he had been denied a request to spend the night there. Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 20-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and a cap, who had a handgun.

More than 12 hours later, Murray started shooting at the New Life Church. Officers found several smoke-generating devices on the church campus; their intended purpose wasn’t clear.

Boyd said the security guard rushed the attacker, who didn’t get more than 6 feet inside the building, and “took him down in the hallway.”

“She probably saved 100 lives,” Boyd said of the guard. Murray, he added, “had a lot of ammunition to do a lot of damage.”

About 7,000 people were on the church campus at the time of the shooting, said Boyd. Security had been beefed up after the shootings hours earlier in Arvada, he said.

Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots — a sound like someone kicking ice from the side of a car, she said. Harris said he saw the gunman, and it looked like he knew how to handle a weapon.

“I was in the military for about three years, and the way he was holding the rifle looked just like the way we were taught to when I was in the military,” he told NBC’s “Today” show on Monday.

They stayed in the vehicle and prayed for the gunman.

“It was obvious that he was in some sort of pain and going through a lot,” Gibbs told “Today.” “I just prayed God would bring him peace.”

New Life, with about 10,000 members, was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was dismissed last year after a former male prostitute alleged he had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with him. Haggard, then the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, admitted committing undisclosed “sexual immorality.”

The two dead victims at the missionary center in Arvada were identified as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24.

Johnson, who grew up in Chisholm, Minn., loved working with children and wanted to see the world, said family friend Carla Macynski.

“Tiffany was a well-liked, easygoing 26-year-old. She was friendly, adventurous and a definite leader. She wanted to see the world,” Macynski said as she choked back tears. Johnson had traveled to Egypt, Libya and South Africa with the missionary group.

Crouse, of Alaska, had helped build a foster home at a Crow reservation in Montana, said Ronny Morris, who works with a Denver chapter of the mission.

Staffer Dan Griebenow, 24, of South Dakota, was shot in the neck, according to Youth With a Mission. Staffer Charlie Blanch, 22, of Burnsville, Minn., suffered gunshot wounds to his legs, according to ministry officials.

Youth With a Mission was started in 1960 and now has 1,100 locations with 16,000 full-time staff, Smith said. The Arvada center was founded in 1984.

Darv Smith, director of a Youth With a Mission center in Boulder, said people ranging from their late teens to their 70s undergo a 12-week course that prepares them to be missionaries. He said the center trains about 300 people a year.

Paul Filidis, a Colorado Springs-based spokesman with Youth With a Mission, said staffers are usually former missionaries themselves and that the “mercy ministries” performed by trainees include orphanage work.

The Colorado shootings came only days after a 19-year-old gunman opened fire at a popular mall in Omaha, Neb., killing eight people and himself.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Joe Mamma

Anyone else notice that the TV news programs are implying that the person who ended the attack at the second church was a security professional of some kind? Naturally it would challenge the rules of their world if they were to report truthfully that it was 1) a private citizen who volunteered, not a professional in any law enforcement of security job; and 2) a woman.

I can’t speak to yesterday’s coverage, but today most media have been reporting it that way, with some accounts highlighted by a clip of the pastor saying just that.

Most reports I’ve seen include a reference to her “law enforcement experience.” Not clear what that means.

From a CNN.com report:

“I saw him coming through the doors,” she told reporters on Monday. “I took cover, and I waited for him to get closer, and I came out of cover and identified myself, and engaged him, and took him down. And that’s pretty much it.”

Police said they were still investigating whether (the guard’s) weapon killed Murray, or whether he might have died of a self-inflicted gunshot.

From the Rocky Mountain News:

The gunman who killed two at a Colorado Springs church Sunday refused a guard’s order to drop his weapon and fired before the guard shot him to death and ended the attack, according to a church official. …

Relating the account he had been told, (the pastor) said the woman ordered the gunman to drop his weapon and they exchanged shots. The attacker shot at the guard, missed, and kept walking into the church, (the pastor) said. The woman fired again, taking down the gunman.

In the last report I heard, her first 9mm round (or rounds) took the shooter down, and he then “reached for what she thought was a grenade, which turned out to be a smoke grenade.” She fired again and killed him.

This story still needs a lot of focus. No surprise there.

Jeanne Assam

“I saw him coming through the doors, and I took cover, and I waited for him to get closer…I identified myself, engaged him, and took him down.”

Badass.

She is awesome beyond words.

God bless her.

Fantastic. My heart leapith with joy for her actions.

I hope she was an N.R.A. member and they give her the biggest award they can think of. The local mayor should throw her a parade down mainstreet and give her the key to the city.

Yeahhh.

Press Conference w/Jeanne Assam and the New Life Church Minister

Thanks for the link, good interview.

You’re welcome.

She done good.

I think it is sad that in a few more days the media will focus more on “If we banned weapons outright this never would have happened” than “If carry laws allowed more law abiding citizens to arm themselves these kinds of mass-shootings would all but disappear.”

That being said, condolences for the lives lost and the impact on those who knew them.

http://www.denverpost.com/outdoors/ci_7683781

That Denver Post article is a fascinating angle, gotm4, and it contains a coupla interesting nuggets – like the fact that the woman who ultimately neutralized the threat was the third security volunteer on the scene, and that the first two had drawn their weapons but didn’t fire on the shooter (for whatever reason).

Great job for her, she’s a true sheepdog.

And let me be the first one to say, SHE’S HOT.

BTW, the church’s pastor was great during the press briefing, eloquently described his church’s defensive details and the fact that the availability of armed guards (her) saved a bunch of people.

Good show, Jeanne Assam!

I’d like to sit in quietly on the debrief of the two gunbearers who didn’t fire. Maybe they didn’t get the memo about how it’s okay to kill active shooters.

Our church has some LE here and there, and probably more Airborne and Special Forces warriors, most of them combat veterans, than any other church in the world, but how many are carrying the tools they need to stop evil? It isn’t very Christian to let innocent people get killed because of the mentality that guns in church are unholy. I’ve heard plenty of folks say “God will protect us, we don’t need that,” but I say God put you in a country where you’re allowed to protect yourself and gave you free will to make a decision.

Without knowing the facts I’d recommend we hold of criticizing others’ responses. The point is several armed members on the congregation were armed to confront the bad guy. Good on Jeanne that she took him down.

I’d also take the reports from Bourbonnais with a grain of salt. He was interviewed on camera Sunday afternoon, saying he took a buckshot pellet to his forearm. He insisted it was buckshot. When he showed his forearm on camera, sure didn’t look like what I would expect buckshot to look like, I didn’t see any blood or entrance wound or much of anything in the way of penetration. Surprisngly enough, all that been reported regarding weapons was that the gunman had a high powered rifle and some handguns. Strangely enough, no mention of a shotgun. I can imagine he took some plaster fragments from the pillar or something along those lines perhaps, but I’m not sure I would consider him the most reliable eyewitness based on the little bit I’ve seen him on camera.

She stated in the interview that she has no kids, nor husband and needs a man. Don’t be surprised if Playboy makes a call to her…:eek: