Chest rig advice needed

I’m headed to Fayetteville, NC this November to take a pistol/carbine class with LAV. I have most of my gear squared away, except for a carbine optic and a chest rig…this is where you come in. :wink:

From my research, I’ve decided on a Tactical Tailor MAV-2, BUT since I’m big on managing my money and allowing money spent in the short term to aid in funding long term goals, I thought about purchasing a plate carrier rather than the MAV. Would there be any cons to purchasing the carrier since I plan to purchase the plates at a later time? Would a plate carrier be “to over the top” for an entry level class?

Any advice you could provide me is appreciated.

Any reason you want a chest rig or PC over some belt mounted pouches? Probably at least 95% of the class will be rolling that way.

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I’ll also advocate wearing a belt mounted setup, last PatMac class I took 1 guy was running a PC, switched out half way through day 1. Unless you have some requirement to train with a PC or chest rig a belt setup will most likely serve you better.

I took a two day street and vehicle tactics class with Mike Pannone. A lot of students were LEO. Myself and two others (federal LEOs) were the only ones wearing plate carriers. If I weren’t active duty, I wouldn’t bother with it.

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I just made the assumption that most folks would be wearing some type of chest rig or vest.

I appreciate your replies, as well as the reply from kest_01.

Since I’m now headed in a different direction; what belt set up would you guys recommend?

You can easily get by with an Ares or Volund belt and HSGI Tacos or Blue Force Gear belt pouches. Maybe add a dump pouch and you’re set.

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Definitely no on the plate carrier. Learning in a plate carrier can be tiresome and distracting. The only exception would be something like a shoot house.

I prefer a chest rig to a battle belt, but I can see why people would prefer one over the other. For classes, keeping 1-2 AR magazines on a quality belt (along with pistol, and pistol mags), and having a minimalistic chest rig to back feed those from, works best.

Since you have nothing right now, I think the best suggestion might be to contact LAV and ask him what would be best to get the most out of his class. Try it, and if you don’t like it, throw it up on the EE.

Yeah I’m AD as well and brought a PC, but opted not to wear it after hearing Pat’s thoughts on the whole train as you fight mantra.

I really like the ronin tactics belts as well as us grunt gear

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I run an Eagle belt with a couple rifle Taco’s and pistol Taco’s on my left side, a dump pouch, and on the right my holster. There’s hundreds of choices out there for belts and pouches
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?39159-Gear-loadout-pics-and-descriptions
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?214-First-line-belts

look through these and see if you can find something that’ll fit your needs, also if you have the ability to try some stuff out before buying(like someone else’s kit setup) that could be beneficial.
whatever you decide on, use it a bit before going to the class, this way you kind find out what works and what doesn’t.

I did a pistol/carbine course with LAV this past fall. It was fun. What worked best for me was a simple MAV chest rig with 4 mag pouches, and a Brokos belt with two AR15 mags, two pistol mags, a dump pouch, and a Blade-Tech holster. I like a chest rig for carbine courses for carrying enough mags to keep me away from the ammo table. I also did a pistol-only course from Dave Spaulding. For that I just went with a simple speed belt with holster, dump pouch, and 4 pistol mags. I’ve also used a Wilderness belt for those pistol courses, but I like the velcro stability and easy removability of the speed belt.

I emailed him a few days ago, he just wrapped up a two day Kalashnikov build class so I’m sure he’s very busy. Hopefully he’ll follow-up with me when he gets time.

Thanks for the links.

I’d like to look through someone else’s gear, but I’m in the land of FUDD’s…trust me, they’re of no help.

If you don’t know what you need, simpler is better. Just get a good belt (I prefer an inner/outer belt that velcro together) and some quality mag pouches. I have a full battle belt setup plus a simple nylon Cobra belt (both belts from US Grunt Gear) with belt mount Tacos and I keep coming back to the simple belt. It’s easy to use, stays in place, and hasn’t let me down yet. I also have a chest rig but for me it’s a secondary piece of gear to backfill the mag pouches on my belt and I seldom use it.

For some of the 5 day classes that I have attended there has been a small section on gear set up for the task at hand, depending on the students. Law enforcement, Military, PSD, Civilian etc. each will have its own kit set up some similarities etc. For a 2 day class be prepared, it sucks for an instructor to have to slow down on gear issues for a two day class, you are paying for professional instruction be prepared for it. Most pistol classes guys will run IWB/OWB pistol and two mags on support side. Pistol/Carbine run same set up for pistol but add a single or double Rifle mag pouch. I usually run a single belt mounted rifle pouch and twin pistol mag pouches. you can use a liner belt and outer belt set up for easy on/off or a simple leather gun belt with good kydex pouches from any of the companies, I have been using raven concealment. or HTC. If its vehicle training anything in your back will suck for any length of time ask the LE guys. For more additional rifle mags the Tactical Tailor Mini MAV is my go to, 4 mags up front fits in a GO bag easily and is pretty easy on and easy off I use older Diamondback tactical half m4 pouches on the mini MAV. other similar would be the velocity/Mayflower rigs that adapt and fit onto the velocity/mayflower plate carrier Try all of that on and get out to a range or farm, yard and get in the prone, and get up and move. adjust from there.

http://www.velsyst.com/store/0/6/Lightweight-Plate-Carrier.html
http://www.velsyst.com/store/253/0/SwiftClip™-Placards.html
http://www.mayflower-rc.org/store/7034/0/Chest-Rigs.html
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/minimav.aspx
https://highthreatconcealment.com
http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/magazine-carriers/
http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/signature-series/
https://diamondbacktactical.com/get-the-gear/accessories/single-open-top-m4m16-mag-pouch-short/

From this n00b experiences, if you’re not fit, skip the plate. In addition, there’s a small chance you’ll bust your chin on top of your plate.

Get familiar with one rig before moving on to the next rig.

If I was to run a “battle belt” type loadout with more “stuff” on it, Ronin Tactics’ belt would be high on my list.
Or the AWS version, because they make good kit for stupid cheap, and it’s very similar to the Ronin belt.
Or Crye Precision’s Modular Riggers Belt, for a more classic battle belt style.
I’ve tried a standard padded battle belt, never liked it and always wished for a way to integrate it with a regular belt, without having to thread pouches onto said belt. It seems my wish has finally been realized.

That being said, I’m a bit off the mainstream I guess since I prefer chest rigs/PCs for serious amounts of gear- personally I just can’t stand stuff all over my waist.
So for the OP, if you find you prefer a chest rig over a belt, then there’s two things to think about-

  1. What do you really need for the class? ARE you going to burn through a bunch of ammo while moving around a lot, and not able to get to a bag of reloads? Or are you pretty much going to stand at the line and not go much further unless you’re doing a walkback exercise or something? If the second case, pretty much any kit aside from an EDC level of carry (a couple rifle and pistol on the belt) is kind of pointless. I kind of get a kick out of guys with a full battle belt, and a 2 rifle, 2 pistol, handgun holster loadout on the thing. Just put it on your belt (yes, I just said I hate threading things onto a belt- this is the one exception).
    Personal bias, if I’m at a “stand and shoot” class, likely focusing more on fundamentals than movement/tactics, I’d put all my ammo/med/tools/other crap in a range bag and invest in an extra belt mag carrier or two.
    OP’s already got the idea with “ask the instructor”. :thumbs_up:

2)Cue pitchforks and torches;
If you have a full kit loadout- pimped out chest rig, plates, belt, whatever, and the class involves some activity beside “stand and shoot”, for at least some of the “activity” day, wear it! How else are you supposed to get an idea for how the extra size and weight is going to affect performance? He else are you supposed to know if it’s comfortable and ergonomic to use, or if you have your layout right, and if there’s issues? Yes, you’ll probably feel like a twit for a minute or two, but screw the guys snickering in the back- you’re getting extra value for the class.

Which brings me to sort of an offshoot of both questions- does whichever gear you choose have a purpose beyond the class?
If so, it may be more appropriate to select and configure it to that need, and then #2 it, and let an appropriate class tell you if it’s working as intended or not.
If you get to the class, and your running around in the thing and it totally sucks, then you toss it in the truck, fall back on your belt pouches for the remainder of class, and fix it at home.

That being said, if this is the “level 1 pistol/rifle” course that I’m thinking the OP is talking about in NC, the full kit can probably wait a bit.

JellyBean,

All sage advice.

Yes, my equipment will have a purpose beyond the class and this is the Level 1 pistol/rifle course.

Skip the PC. Unless you get plates now and really start to get used to it. A PC on someone not used to it will distract from the course.

Belt or chest rig… Which do YOU like better? Don’t worry about what is trending today. This course will be for you to learn or hone your skills. Don’t try something new. Stick with what you know so it will not distract from the training.