Ive saved a bit of money and instead of another firearm at this point Ive decided to buy a suppressor. However, the more I read the more confused I feel. Im hoping that a suppressor will allow me to shoot simetimes on our new property without stirring up the neighbors, there are only two of them and theyre not right on top of us. Its a very rural setting, nothing but cornfields as far as the eye can see but still I dont want to get on anyones bad side and be friendly.
Honestly folks I feel I really only need a 5.56 specific can, I want max sound suppression but if Im wrong in my belief that using a multi caliber can will not provide the best noise reduction of a smaller (5.56) caliber I wouldnt be surprised. I have one rifle thats not a 5.56, a 6.8spc and thats it. Handguns? Well thats a different story. Id also like max flash suppression from a can as well.
Ive looked at surefire because I have two rifles with the Warcomp already installed. So yeah, I looked at their cans, the rc2 I believe it was.
Ive also looked at the Saker cans, DeadAir Sandman L and a few others. Alot of them seem to be multi caliber. Ive perused SilencerCo and all of the popular haunts but just dont know what to choose.
I wish I could still get an AEM5 for the mk12 because that would make my decision very simple so if anyone knows where one is speak up. I guess I shouldnt have waited so long to make up my mind on getting a can.
So mostly I jist sit at the bench and shoot little tiny groups on paper or ring steel so size isnt a super important consideration for this buy. Im sure though like all other things firearms related once I get one Ill end up getting more.
Budget wise I have about 1k+ to put into a suppressor. Less would be fine or I could go a little higher if needed but hoping to stay around there. $200 extorsion fee is not included in that figure.
Im sure I left out alot of info you would need to help me make an informed decision but that is due to my ignorance about suppressors.
I’d highly recommend you check out pew science. He’s doing high quality, quantitative analysis of silencers, and already has a bank of good data you can check out. He also has some good info on using the warcomp with a silencer.
There are lots of variables to consider, length and weight, sound suppression, backpressure, flash reduction, mounting system, durability, etc. You will give up some to get others.
I used to be all on board the “belt fed rated” super durable cans. I have a sandman s and k, and I have a saker 556. They are very durable. They are also very heavy, and fairly loud compared to others. I personally don’t have any full auto guns, likely I never will. I have shifted my priorities to lighter weight at the expense of some durability, and one of my favorites to use is the omega 9k on a 300 blackout. It’s very short and light, and still provides decent suppression.
Also, don’t trust marketing. Actually use a silencer before buying if possible. Maybe there are people in your area you could ask who already own models you are interested in.
Tl;dr: check out pew science, he also has a podcast that I find fairly interesting.
As mentioned try to shoot some friends suppressors. A .308 can will do a pretty good job with a 5.56 and 6.8. Some cans allow you to use different endcaps to account for caliber changes…just have to be sure you have the correct endcap on. Longer cans tend to do a better job in sound suppression. For what you have a .308 can would cover both and work with other rounds too. If you ever go 300BO, .308 or similar you would be covered. They work great on bolt guns too.
Thank y’all. I do try to shoot anyones suppressor who will let me try it when they see me grinning from ear to ear. I guess I should actually start asking questions instead of just shooting it and handing it back.
I generally don’t trust advertining or anyone trying to sale anything. There is always some truth in what they say but weeding through it with any knowledge is not my strong suit when reading about suppressors. Also why I posed my question here as Ive always got pretty good advice from you guys even if I didnt follow it.
Yep Nate, I did read his comparison and did learn some new stuff but it still left questions, need to read more I guess.
I did have an opportunity to shoot a suppressed mk12 mod1 with the AEM5 can and the owner said he was always impressed with how well that system worked and to his more atuned ear said that nothing sounded as good as that can on that gun and he is a pretty well known AR/M16 afficinato with a very large and technical Youtube channel who if I said his name Id bet my paycheck you would know him. Me? I knew no different.
Ill keep reading and watching and asking and Im sure Ill come to a good decision at some point. I mean I have alot of money to spend on one so SURELY it will be the best wont it? (JOKE!!!)
I have two Surefire cans, both 5.56 specific. The RC2 and the Mini. Surefire cans are not the quietest nor were they designed to be. They were designed to limit gas blowback, greatly minimize flash reduction, minimal POI, POA change, and have a fast on/off collar system. IMO they succeeded with that mission. But again, they are not the quietest, nor would I call them quiet. Having said all that I have plans to add a third Surefire suppressor which will be in the 30cal/308 size, most likely the 7.62Mini.
Some folks consider a con having to buy fancy, expensive Surefire muzzle devices to use the cans but it sounds like you that end covered already. Surefire makes nice muzzle devices so that was never an issue for me.
We are in a golden age of suppressors right now with a lot of quality manufacturers. Saker, Dead Air just to name a few.
Decide if you want quick detach or direct thread.
I know this part isn’t what you’re asking but if I was in you’re position looking to try and be a good neighbor and shoot quietly I would get a suppressed .22lr or 300 blackout where you can choose subsonic ammunition and really be quiet. Anything else is going to be relatively loud.
It the supersonic crack that won’t go away, but I’ve used my 308 can indoors on 5.56 and 308 and it’s significantly more pleasant. Outdoors is much better.
FWIW I did a 308 can for all rifle calibers I own (308, 7.62X39, 556, 300 Blk), a .45 can for 45 and below handgun, along with a .22 can for all rimfire guns. It seems like a sound strategy when someone posted it here years ago and I’m happy with how it turned out. SO many choices now versus what I purchased, so +1 on the review site.
The short answer is the Surefire RC 2. I have one and I also have a sandman s for my 300. Since you already have the warcomps, you will save on having to change out muzzle devices. I cant tell much difference in the two in the db rating but if you want to shoot a lot suppressed, don’t worry about the noise reduction. worry about back pressure. The surefire and the dead airs are pretty good in those areas. Although most rifle rounds are to fast to be quiet, I guarantee that once you shoot suppressed, you will be miserable not suppressed. It is considerably quieter and should do a good job for the neighbors. I would tell you to get the sandman and just get the 556 endcaps to be multi cal but you already are invested in surefire ecosystem so to speak. I would get on it though if I were you, I got my first 2 in about 6.5 months but this last one took me almost 10 months. I can only see the times getting longer so I would get in the queue asap.
In my opinion (and that’s all it is), modular multi caliber cans are not the way to go. In my experience they are too large and screw up the balance of 5.56 carbines (mine anyway) and can be a PIA to disassemble and reconfigure. Others, I’m sure have different experiences.
The Surefire RC2 checks your boxes save for maximum suppression. Respectfully, this is faulty thinking as 5.56 rounds are going to be loud no matter what. Attachment method, POI/POA shift suppressed vs unsurpressed, blowback and flash are more important considerations and this is where the RC2 shines. As well as in overall durability. I have a SiCo Saker-k which compares very well to my RC2 but if you go with that company I’d recommend upgrading to the Key-Mo mounting system which is more expensive and may put you over budget.
Thunderbeast has a new can out, the Dominus, that I’ve had my eye on. It’s marketed as a hard-use 5.56 can but is actually .30 caliber so you use it on your 6.8. Short and lightweight, too. I’m waiting see testing done on its back pressure, tho.
Also, Pew Science is something you should be following if interested in suppression.
In some cases you are correct. Not in the case of the sandman s though. It is only maybe a half inch longer and .7 oz heavier. I do agree that the socom rc2 is the route he should go though. If he was starting from scratch I would probably recommend the sandman s though as muzzle devices are 80 vs surefires 150 for theirs. I do think though that once you get a rifle can you will get more so going dedicated caliber cans is the way to go. my second can I bought was a modular 9mm can that I would also shoot 300 black from but I still in quick order ordered a dedicated 30 cal can because I feel that multi cal cans do everything ok instead of rocking at one thing. The sandman s is great at .30 cal suppression and pretty good at 556. the socom rc2 I still to this day think is great at 556 suppression. if you have no desire to get other calibers just go for the surefire.
Totally agree. I don’t care for suppressors on gas guns. Cans are cans in my experience. None are magically better than the rest. Get one that suits your mount needs/wants… and maybe from a manufacturer with longevity incase you need a repair down the road.
If you use a Surefire can with a Warcomp you will be very disappointed. It will work but the seal is very poor. Surefire does not recommend it from a performance standpoint.
I own several 5.56 cans. The first question i always ask someone interested in buy a can is: what is your goal? My Thunder Beast Ultra is very repeatable on my Tikka & Compass Lake upper. My Gemtech G5 isn’t.
SureFire makes good cans & they have a rep for repeatability, but research, as recommended, is in order.