Blowback PCCs and Cans, and Blowback

I do a lot of shooting with a 12” straight blowback PCC AR with a Rex Silentium .458 MG7k. For comparison, I have or have access to, mostly .45 pistol cans, and a Dead Air Odessa. I have a pair of CGS MOD9s in purgatory, which does me no good. In other words, I don’t have much basis of comparison on this type of host.

Anyway, the .458 can does a pretty good job, but I sometimes find myself contemplating getting a 9mm twin, or perhaps something else along those lines. For better sound suppression, not that its really needed.

So my question is this: would a 9mm MG7k just increase blowback, making the gun dirtier and louder at the ear? Or is 9mm low pressure enough that that’s not a thing? Would the calculus change if the host was a radial-delayed blowback?

In theory, the delayed blowback would help a lot because the pressure can drop before the chamber uncorks.

A heavy bolt really helped cut blowback in my m11, though im sure ROF was a big factor as well.

I’m the opposite. I only have 9mm cans so I cannot tell you what would happen.

I have a 45 can in jail for about a month now - so if you give me 5-6 more months I will be able to compare apples to apples on a B&T and an SMG.

When I get back, we’ll have to do some testing.

Delayed blowback would probably help way more than going to a 9mm can. Can’t say for sure cause I run a 45 can myself.

My 9mm AR had a ton of ejection port bark at first (JP SCS Buffer with all tungsten weights). After a bit of experimenting I ended up using a 12 ounce buffer to quiet the ejection port noise. It seems to slow the blowback “just enough”. Kind of a “just add more mass” delayed blowback system.

I don’t really notice any gassing from my Stribog gen1 and my can. I’m a lefty, so I get gassed out pretty easily with a lot of setups.

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I can only say that shooting larger caliber cans is my preference. Less blow back and less of a chance for a baffle strike. I shoot my 45 can on my MPX and love it. Dedicated can for the MPX. I wish it was a later gen AAC can that can be made smaller like my newer 9mm cans on my MP5 and APC. Love that modularity.

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I too have a Tirant 45 (older one) and use it on PCCs, zero blowback on 9MM AR and Scorpion shorties.

I have a B&T APC9 and AAC tirant45m and a tirant9m.

I’ve tried the 45 a couple times and it was noticeably louder. Neither has much blow back.

Honestly my 45 can is my least used can and my 9 is used so much I wish I had bought an omega 9k instead of the Tirant45.

Honestly 45 suppressed kind of sucks and I was super disappointed.

So, for you, having both 9mm and .45 cans of similar design, and a 9mm blowback host, if you currently only had a .45 can for that host, you’d find it worthwhile to get a 9mm can? If there’s no increase blowback and its quieter, I can’t see a downside, and I could use the MG7k .358 on rifles, too. The scenario I’d want to avoid is one in which its quieter at the muzzle, but poppier at the ear and gassy.

For a multipurpose 9mm subgun suppressor that can also handle non-SBR rifles, the YHM R9 is really solid.

It has a 16" minimum length restriction on 556 and 308, but seems to beat out the MG7k 358 on all other metrics.

It’s a little shorter, 2 ounces lighter and has 2 more baffles, which helps reduce sound with 9mm.

R9 gas blowback does not seem to be an issue on blowback AR9s we’ve used with 4" to 8.5" barrels and appropriate buffer weights.

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This is good to here. I just bought one for an m/11, and it will double-duty on my 16".
I had a rev9 on the machinegun and am hoping the increased volume is beneficial. I was back and forth with the mg7k for a while.

Here is a side by side comparison on 8" barreled PDW uppers.

YHM R9 on top
REX MG7k on bottom

I have an R9 and a Ghost M 45, so not really fair comparisons. I use the R9 on both blowback and roller delayed blowback AR9s, but not on pistols, its big, a bit over 1.5". I am super impressed with this little guy, dont regret it at all vs the Ghost M, which I use on handguns. Would buy again.

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Makes sense. I live my rev 9k on my pistol. Even today Id probably buy the same thing (or similar). It just doesnt seem to be the best choice for a MG or PCC youre going to shoot fast. R9 looks to be about a year out cry-smile.jpg

My AR9 pretty much has my Dead Air Odessa on it all the time. Picked it up because it actually fit under the handguard (and it will be cool when I get around to threading my .32 PP and Nagant revolver). I run it with all the baffles, which does a good job with suppression.

I get a little gas when shooting Winchester Ranger 147 grain… but I also have an 11 ounce buffer. I did pick up a GasBuster charging handle, but haven’t shot with it yet.

I am hoping to get some extra cash to pick up one of the Century AP5s, which I would like to SBR. If I go that route, I’ll probably get a 3-lug setup for my Bushwhacker 46, and then put the 9mm end cap on. I could just use the Odessa with direct thread… but why if there is a 3-lug already there. Roller delay will also cut back on gas to the face.

R9 shows in stock at Capitol Armory

Is I been able to ‘try before you buy’ I’d have never bought a 45 suppressor, even for my 45 guns.

While not looking for it I noticed no difference in blow back. I did notice a difference in sound suppression. The 45 suppressor is also much larger.

9mm and .22lr have been the most fun with a suppressor. I have a Walter p22 with a Q el Camino and it’s movie quiet and tons and tons of fun. I could shoot it all day. On the flip of that every time I shoot my Mark23 with the AAC Tirant 45 I’m disappointed and don’t understand why people think 45 is so awesome suppressed.
My Glock 17 with the AAC tirant 9 is fun too. On the APC9 it’s amazing! So if I had it to do again I like to have the Tirant 9m and an Omega 9k instead of the Tirant45. I don’t like having to switch back and forth between the booster and tri lug.

I bought the Tirant 45m for my Mk23 and as a second can for my 9mm guns, because the internet says it’s just as good. It’s not, I’m my experience that is totally false and 45 suppressed sucks.

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For the form4

Since we last discussed this, I’ve investigated this myself with the help of some friends of both genders. I had Rex make me two more custom cans, and aquired a couple more off-the shelf cans.

Cans tested include: CGS MoD 9 3 lug, Omega 45k 3 lug, Omega 45k Plan A, Rex .458 MG7k Plan A XL, Rex 3 baffle .358 Plan A L, Rex .375 7 baffle Plan A L.

Hosts include: 7.5” and 8.5” 3 lug and Griffin Taper mount, 12”, 12.5”, and 13” with Griffin Taper mount. Bolts used were 17.1 oz bolt, achieved with tungsten and brass weights and a generic 14.6 oz bolt. Buffers used were 5.6 oz buffer, and 12.4 oz (holy shit lol) buffer. Don’t expect all of those combos to be reliable….

We first compared the MoD 9 to the O45k in trilug configuration on the short barrels. Notably, the internal trilug adapters for each impaired their sound performance, and made them gassier than expected. The O45k was somehow both loud and gassy, and the MoD9 was even gassier than normal, and not as quiet as normal. It was quieter to bystanders and about the same as the O45k to the shooter. I then switched the mount to Griffin Taper/Plan A on the O45k using a 9mm EZ-Brake mount which improved both performance and backpressure. It now lives on that host, tucked inside the handguard. This gun is just a novelty that comes out occasionally, and I’m happy with the performance.

Next up, we compared the 3 rex cans. The 3 baffle 9mm MGx is 4.25” by itself, and 5” with adapter. This is the newest version that increased baffle spacing from .5” to .625”. The .45 MG7 control is the older 6 baffle version with .5” spacing and a larger blast chamber, and I’m using it with a longer adapter than the other two. It is 5.6” by itself and 6.5” with adapter. The 7 baffle .375 MGx is 6.7” bare and 7.4” with adapter. It is also the newer version with wider baffle spacing and a smaller blast chamber. These are all 1.7” diameter rifle cans.

These 3 were used on the moderate-length 12”-13” SBRs using a Griffin 9mm Hammer Comp, legacy gen. This is the setup that I actually shoot all the time as a training analog.

From the bystander perspective, all thought that the 6.5” .458 sounded slightly better than the 5” .358, but was almost too close to tell. From the shooter’s perspective, they sound about the same, but the .358 is slightly gassier. From the bystander’s perspective, the 7.4” .375 was noticeably quieter than the other two. It was a bigger difference than between the first two, but nothing crazy, as the first two are surprisingly effective, and the long one is in the neighborhood of diminishing returns. From the shooter’s perspective, the 7.4” .375 has more backpressure, and the ejection port pop is much more noticeable. What isn’t clear is whether the port pop is actually louder, or if it’s just perceived that way because the muzzle report is quieter (if you shoot steel back to back suppressed and unsuppressed, you’ll know what I mean about perception).

Dicking around with buffers and bolts did not seem to have any effect, from 22.7oz total mass to 29.5oz total mass. This is why I wonder if the port pop was really any louder, or if it was just perception. No effect on sound, that is. Tinkering did have an effect on reliability, and with a ~12.5” barrel and a silencer, I think 20-24oz is probably where you want to be, and maybe 18-23oz unsuppressed. USPSA and IDPA PCC loads may want to go lighter yet, of course.

The footlong host is zeroed with the long .375 can for pest control reasons, since it is clearly quieter. But it is mostly shot with the 6.5” .458 can because it’s more pleasant to me, the shooter. Some of that is probably due to the much larger total blast chamber volume. The .358 can is kept around for when I want to cut an inch and a half off the gun, and the Hammer Comp mount exists for match purposes and to make the .458 can more effective at signature reduction. There is surprisingly little zero shift between the 4 configurations; not enough to matter at ranges relevant to 9mm.

We’ve also screwed around with some other hosts and cans, such as the Mojave 9, Griffin .45 Resistance and Revolution, Rex .358 5 baffle new style MG7, Ruger PCC, Scorpion, KP9, and MPX, with similar results, but with more narrow comparisons. Except the Mojave…it is both very quiet AND very low backpressure. What isn’t clear is whether it will stay that way, or if those tiny passages will clog. It’s also 2-4 times the cost of the others. I’m skeptical, and we haven’t shot it back to back on the same hosts, either.

TLDR; quieter cans are quieter, louder cans are louder, and backpressure is a variable somewhat independent of sound, though there is some correlation.