Worth reading. But then again Who and What do you beleive in politics, or mediea? I still don’t like Obama, because I don’t trust him. Here in Montana we have the Electoral vote.
This is by Ken Blackwell, appears he may be black also. (By his picture)
The fact that he is Black or not is irrelevant (both the writer and Obama). What is relevant is that he is trying to take away my inidividual right to choose., period.
I could care less what color he is. My/your rights easily transcend color lines.
Mace
Well, Barack and Hillary are doing a damned good job of chewing each other up in the run-up to the Democratic Convention. All McCain has to do is sit back and let them tear each other to pieces. By the time the general election rolls around, the surviving Democratic candidate will have been tarred and feathered by the losing Democratic candidate. Obama is unprepared and naive. Hillary is self-serving and lacks integrity.
Clearly, there’s a case to be made that a Republican may yet ascend to the White House in November. John McCain is not the second coming of Ron Paul or Fred Thompson, but he’s much better than the alternatives…
Most polls are showing Obama loosing votes, up to 4%, over the weekend so they are doing a great job of defeating themselves. Obama really hurt himself with his church.
I will be likely the only one here to say that what I have seen over this past few days with obamas 20 year spiritual mentor has made me deeply disappointed in, and even mad at, many blacks and, evidently, self hating whites. I don’t think, I know pastor wrights comments are a direct reflection of how many blacks feel about whites and America overall. That specifically includes obama and his “like America for the first time” wife. Blacks that do not speak out about this blatant hate are, like muslims that refuse to condemn suicide bombers, part of the problem.
On top of that, I have seen at least a dozen spineless white democratic campaign strategists try pathetically to say that what obamas pastor said was irrelevant. He spent 20 years closely listening to the man. He was married by wright. He Christened his children. Was obama not the one just caught plagiarizing the words “Just words?” because he felt words held so much meaning? This is bullshit at it’s worst, folks, and it is making me angry.
Well take note, I do not, nor did I ever own a black slave. I do not, nor did I ever advocate such actions. I like and fully respect nice, sincere, properly functioning people with good morals regardless of their color. I also dislike blindly racist, angry, immoral people because they are just that. Could not spend two minutes with a neo-nazi nor a black panther without something bad guaranteed to happen to one of us.
I speak facts and facts only. I also despise anyone who would pretend to be someone they are not to gain leadership of this country.
Liberals…there are no longer appropriate words.
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m getting damn tired of voting for the lesser of evils. I voted for Bush both times. The first time I really liked him ( cause he was for smaller .gov :rolleyes: ). The second time I voted for him was just because I hated Kerry so much.
Why is it that we only get 2 choices by the time the election rolls around? Why can’t each and every party have multiple canidates in November? The Repubs say it’s McCains “turn”. Bullsit!! You don’t get a turn just because you’ve been a career politician! McCain is where the Dems were 15 years ago! I think the POTUS should not even be a politician. Maybe we should summons a Pres like they do for Jury Duty. Someone that has actually had to work for a living, seeing thier factory jobs gone to other countries and who pays off the top of their paycheck for their own health insurance, and has to work OT just to keep making the ends meet.
By the way, I aint voting for Obama;)
Gump
I don’t believe anyone here said it was relevant. Never a mention. I would support a Juan Williams (Fox News) or his sane, sensible equivalent for President in a heartbeat.
Care to clarify your point, as you recently asked on another thread?
If John McCain was black and Barack Obama was white, I’d still be voting for McCain. Who gives a frak what color the guy is?
If John McCain had attended a church for the past 20 years where the pastor chanted “God damn the United States of America” he’d be done, never a chance. Barack and Hillary could fight it out all the way into November.
The fact is that Obama has apparently been going to a church for twenty years that preached a divisive, hateful, separatist message. If white Americans are uncomfortable with Obama now, he has no one to blame but himself. But then his pastor has taught him not to blame himself for such troubles, hasn’t he? You’d have to be an idiot to think racism doesn’t exist in this country. But you’d also have to be an idiot to believe racism only works in one direction.
Obama spent so much energy convincing people he doesn’t belong to a radical anti-American Muslim religious group, and it seems that was true. They’re not Muslim.
America would vote a black man into the White House. I dont think race is what undid Obama.
“God Damn America” is what undid Obama
Care to clarify your point, as you recently asked on another thread?
Sure.
I am a man of principals, right and wrong.
I could care less what a mans affiliation is, if he is just, if he is unjust, he is unjust.
The Dems (Obama) are a group of contradictions:
*Believe in a womans right to choose, yet oppose the death penalty
*They believe that gays should have a choice in marriage, but I should have no choice with firearms
*They believe that I should “pay for someone else’s kids” (welfare), instead of people taking some personal responsibility and buying some damn condoms
Obama, regardless of his color, is [b]dangerous.[/b] He is NOT good for America, neither is Hillary.
Clear?
Mace
McCain is sitting pretty right now. While Clinton and Obama get their dirt on the covers daily, McCain gets a pass, unopposed until the Dim Convention. The Clinton/Obama ticket is fading fast
McCain’s dirt is too high brow for most people
Yes, liberals and/or democrats are working hard to screw up America as most of us know. But, with you I sense a tendency to do what many others have done, which is side step the hate issue. In your case you are accurately finding other faults, but there is certainly nothing wrong with pointing out his close 20 year connection to man who preaches pure hate. Could be overstating, as I do not know you well enough to really say, but again that is just the sense I get.
But, with you I sense a tendency to do what many others have done, which is side step the hate issue. In your case you are accurately finding other faults, but there is certainly nothing wrong with pointing out his close 20 year connection to man who preaches pure hate.
Not side stepping anything. Do I advocate “hate speech”? Nope. Never.
That should clear up the issue.
Mace
Watching the Obama speech now. He said that Rev. Wright is the person who “introduced me to my Christian faith.” That was about 20 years ago. So what was Obama before becoming a Christian? I think he just opened himself up to a whole new round of accusations about Islam.
I’m obviously biased, but I’ll be surprised if this really helps Obama. This is really his first major mainstream speech that talks about how disadvantaged black Americans are and how horrible their history is. Saying that Wright’s words were “inexcusable” but then spending half an hour explaining and excusing them isn’t going to resonate with the majority of the white majority.
It was also so typically hypocritical for a man who’s been attending a “black church” for 20 years, a church that clearly has a now publicly displayed racist slant, to complain that America is most segregated on Sunday morning. If he really feels that way, why isn’t he going to a more diverse church?
+1 on that.
Obama and his family have been in that church for the last 20yrs. Which means that they approve and accept the messages that their pastor spews from the pulpit. He got married in that church; he had his children christened in that church. It boils down to one simple fact. Obama and his wife FULLY SUPPORT every vitriolic word that a**hole pastor is spewing.
To now turn around and say, ‘it is only words’ is totally laughable.
I do not have a vote (yet), but if I had, it surely would not be for Obama or Hillary - Neither of them deserve to fill the chair in the Oval office!!!
The United States Constitution “was stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery,” Sen. Barack Obama said today. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.speech/index.html)
Read the full text of Obama’s speech here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59257
I suppose so, and thank-you.
The speech was not bad, but I doubt if it was totally sincere. Some maybe, but with all that is at stake for him, I am sure he will say just about anything. I don’t feel that he or Michelle represent pure hate for whites or America necessarily, but there is definitely something there. Her words showed that very clearly. Now, between that and the pastor, we see a picture forming. Comparing the words of his grandmother to those of his 20 year spiritual adviser is a poor attempt to deflect his clear loyalty to the extremely racist Wright. Of course, he was correct when he said that Wrights words are those of a man stuck in the past, but for him to consider the man as “family” is just bad under the circumstances. I don’t spend much time with anyone, family or not, who is as delusional as Wright because I don’t want to and don’t have to. Neither did he.
Hopefully, this will burst the little fantasy bubble that has surrounded this guy.
While i am certain there are exceptions, most churchgoers would not attend someplace where fundamental disagreements exist - and chill out there for two decades. No - Obama at some level agrees. Why stick around?
Obama’s veneer is just that, a veneer. He is just one more advocate for pinning black people’s problems on whitey. He has done a masterful job of staying away from this issue so far. I thought what he said about America avoiding the racial issue was spot on - the trouble is that Obama is NOT the guy to “ref” that issue (due to his lightweight, bubblegum persona, not his race - we would probably need to get someone from another planet).
Now that the race issue is very much on the table for Barack he has some different options:
- Lie his head off, appeal to the racial status quo, and hope it goes away
- Delve into the race issue, which would totally stall his campaign and scuff his positive, happy image
3.Steer clear from speeches like he made today. Go with quick, unoffensive canned sound bites. Make these bites shorter and shorter. And hope it goes away.
My money is on option 3.
So, anyone have a take on Geraldine Ferraro’s comments regarding Obama?
Ah, she gave her opinion and it wasn’t PC. Are you saying she was wrong? 