Iran probably ran out of the billions Obama sent them and now they think they can raise hell and Trump will send another check. Id like to see these B-1’s and B-2’s down in Diego Garcia do what they were designed to do. Make Dresden look retro.
What would be the goal and or the win?
I appreciate the reply sir. As to the building up of troops, I truly think we need to be doing that. As to putting troops in Israel, just sitting here now, that seems good. But I truly think we need to start acting like the baddest dude in town, because we are. But, in the end, my beliefs tells me there will NEVER be a solution this side of Heaven.
With the combination of a theocracy and a nuclear weapons program, the sad truth is the world has no choice but to deal with Iran. If anyone here thinks the USA can walk away from the threat that is Iran, your mistaken.
When your theology craves for the world to be in the throngs of destruction in order to bring your messiah, and you teach children that being suicide bombers is better than becoming doctors, lawyers, business people, cops bus drivers or even mothers and fathers. You then add nuclear weapons to the mix and these people hate the USA, you can’t walk away.
Instead of covert, why not a real actual war?
US can’t be Israel’s foreign legion all the time
Nothing but debt, death, and a bigger vacuum in SWA
Both of these are important points. A war with Iran won’t be like Iraq. That whole country has been taught to hate America far more than Iraq ever was. I don’t think our COIN strategy is that great to begin with (hard to ever have a good one though) but I do think Iran would turn into a tremendous insurgency fight. And Russia would absolutely get involved.
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You know a little over 40 years ago they were our best allies and the only people we trusted with F-14s which were a new hotness.
Pity.
Israel is the only friend we’ve got in the region; they understand Iran better than we do. We should be in sync with Israel on a strategy to first starve them out, and if that doesn’t work, drive them out with a ground war. I don’t like thinking of another long war–I have 1 nephew from the midwest in service and 3 more of draft age. But there is real evil in the world and sometimes it’s necessary. Yeah yeah, I know: Who are you to decide what qualifies as ‘evil’ and a ‘just war’? Well, for starters, I think planning to kill me and my countrymen when we haven’t personally or directly done anything to harm you, is evil. So there’s that. Sitting around and waiting for them to build out their total plan to bring us down is crazy.
A country with the capability to produce nuclear power has the capability to become a nuclear power.
They can increase uranium enrichment from reactor grade to weapons grade.
They can reprocess waste plutonium.
So, you can accuse any country with nuclear power of having a potential weapons program.
Because they do.
IMO, theocracies, or parliamentary democracies that give members of one religion rights over other citizens are anathema to American values. Either type of government armed with nuclear weapons gives me cause for concern.
The way I see it, if the U.S. disengaged from the middle-east, as Coal-Dragger posits:
There would be an unacceptable risk of Israel using nukes in a preemptive strike. I think that thought alone will always be enough to keep the United States involved in the region. That is why, in my ideal administration:
Israel would have to accept the stationing of U.S. troops in sufficient numbers to maintain order in the disputed areas (until a two-state agreement is brokered) edit: as a condition of our continued support. Edit: The force would also need to be large enough to provide a credible deterent to any Nations set on Israel’s destruction. Under my doctrine, to attack Israel would be to attack the U.S. and result in full scale war. As a result, Israel could begin to play nicer with it’s neighbors.
I believe the grim facts are that absent U.S. support, and the nuclear threat, Israel would be in dire straits.
We’d need a military governor the likes of MacArthur in there, AFTER the nuking.
Iranians killing Iranians in Iran. Them reaping what they have sown globally for four decades. Let’s see how the mullah snare viewer when 700 missiles a day fall on their country.
Burn their oil infrastructure to the ground. Tell the greenies that we are doing it to save us from global warming.
Let our Asian allies know that we are still the biggest and baddest and will smote people when needed.
Meanwhile, the country that gave us UBL, al-Qaeda, and 9/11 is low-key developing nuclear power with an eye toward developing nuclear weapons and our president is only too happy to bend over for them.
Double
Did you really just type “smote?”
You and I usually jibe, but U.S. troops in Israel? Even if that is the swiftest way to bring about some semblance of “peace” (to the extent non-Israelis understand the concept) is a bridge WAY too far. Yes, I agree that us withdrawing from the Middle East will make Israel’s behavior, and that of others, more erratic. I would never support putting U.S. troops over there for something that has only a nebulous connection to our national interest, as opposed to just keeping a lid on things, and something I do not care that much about to begin with. Honestly, I don’t believe many Israeli politicians want real peace, either. Their (the politicians’) existence, like many here, is rooted in having a perpetual enemy and the Israelis keep voting them into office (as do we).
Obama was the only president in recent history to try to disengage somewhat from the Arabian Peninsula. If he and his team weren’t inept and aloof, who knows what might have been. The “Pacific-pivot” was the right call, though never implemented. It does boggle my mind, though, as to how we are endlessly involved in a godforsaken piece of real estate entangled with people (other than Israelis) we have nothing in common with. I do not have answer to that, but I’m sure putting U.S. troops there is not the right move for our country. The second we pulled out, it’d be biz as usual and we’d either be constantly sending troops there to enforce the peace, or not and demonstrate that our word means nothing. It’s a Morton’s Fork.
Yes, time to get… biblical…
I think my spell check was even surprised.
Let’s all not drop to our knees for Barry because he wasn’t pro-Saudi. He was just more pro-Iranian than pro Saudi, so I don’t know how that is that much better. At least we get oil from the Saudis when we drop some cash on them.
THIS is what I try to explain to people- that we are not dealing with rationale minded people who have ANY sense survivalism…they worship death…who dont care about any consequence of nuke war…as long as their demon god is
appeased", EVERYONE, THEMSELVES INCLUDED, can die today as far as they care. They cannot be rationally dealt with like ordinary people or nations.
Overwhelming violence & their deaths are the only two things that will ever stop them. No treaty, NO negotiation, NO envoy, NO deal, NO threat…only action.
They are feral, like wild barn cats…and should be treated as such…SOON.
I am not a big one to advocate a war, and I’m NOT advocating one with Iran without sufficient provocation mind you, BUT…if there’s one country who’s had one coming for a l-o-n-g time it is those f*****s.