Anyone see this gem? Marine warning to civilians.

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It is floating around on Al Gore’s interweb. Not sure how real it is and can’t check, I am at a .gov job and can’t access lots of sites.

This is a US Marines purported warning to US civilians…

U.S. Marine Says He Will Fire on U.S. Citizens if Civil War Breaks Out…
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By Sgt C USMC

It’s been said that the military is always preparing for war. That is true. We prepare for combat every day. We ran 5 miles today to the rifle range and shot nearly 200 rounds a piece at targets and then ran back. However, we also pray for peace. I would love one day to be completely unnecessary. But alas, I am a realist, and I know that day will never come.

The headlines of the last week have reminded me more of glimpsing at the S2 Daily Briefing Sheets while in theater or the Al-Jazeera than the NY Times or the Washington Post. Think about that for a moment, let it sink in.

Before I get into the main premise of this article - I need to make two statements here.

First and foremost , when it comes to the back and forth of who did what to whom and why - I don’t give a @!$%#. It doesn’t change the action. In life we’re judged by our actions, nothing more, nothing less. One of the greatest things of the military is when it comes to an enemy, the politics behind the situation - don’t matter in accomplishing that mission. For the military , life is simple in that regard.

Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you’ve earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.

But this government of ours is a democracy. We vote for our representatives, and they vote in our interests. Sometimes, the votes don’t go our way. That’s life, better luck next time. Exhaust your legislative options, and then focus on gaining the required votes and/or seats to achieve your desired legislative vote next election time. That’s the way things work.

But the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you’ve usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.

For those of you calling for a civil war, I implore you to stop and think about what you’re saying. Look around your neighborhood and your city. Now imagine using that terrain to survive. Imagine dodging semi-automatic rifle fire as you scramble from cover to cover, dragging your wounded child behind you. Imagine the deafening report of a mortar as it strikes the ground a 150 feet in front of you, the overpressure enough to shatter your teeth and perforate an ear drum. Try and envision a Stryker rolling through neighbor’s front lawn or a F/A-18 making lazy loops over your head in Close Air Support for the troops in the distance.

Now with that vision in mind, stop by your local Marine Corps base, being they will be the first military units you’d face in an all out ‘civil war’ . Look at them for a moment, examine their ‘work environment’ . They’re running the track, they’re climbing ropes, they’re grappelling with each other in mock hand-to-hand combat, and shooting targets while moving in raid lines on a daily basis. Nearly everyone on that base, down to our ‘secretaries’ has a combat award of one type or another, they’ve faced some of the most stressful situations on Earth where succumbing to the stress can get you killed, and they flourished.

Now ask yourselves and be honest - when is the last time you’ve run anything other than late to work, climbed anything other than a flight of stairs, grappelled with anything other than a paper jam, and shot off anything other than your mouth? When’s the last time you were in any situation more stressful than a traffic jam?

Now I’m not blaming you for your career choice, not in the least. I can’t think of a single job that’s not useful in some way or another. I just want you to simply compare and contrast your work environment with ours and ask yourselves “Who is better suited to win this battle ?” We both know the answer here, and if you doubt that answer, look at the results from Fallujah in 2004. Over 1200 of them ‘lost’ and we 'lost only 28. That’s a ‘win-ratio’ of almost 60-1, and they’ve been fighting their whole lives.

Put this in another scenario. You and your officemates think your local pro football team sucks , so you put together your own team of the best your company has and challenge them to a game. Even if your team might be good, they’re professionals. This is their job. Your job is to answer phones and type on a keyboard. In short, they’ve forgotten more than you will ever know about football. The result, will be a slaughter for you, and a practice for them. But at least you’ll get a chance to sit at home, ice your wounds and say ‘whew I never should’ve done that!’

Not so with combat. The results of combat are far…FAR…more permanent. There are no second chances, no time for regrets, and no do-overs. This is not Call of Duty.

Now I 'd like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can’t speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you’re no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you’re now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I’m not alone.

I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.

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he ignore the fact that govt usurps the Constitution. Yet will fire on us for usurping the Constitution :rolleyes: “I was just following orders” didnt work at Nuremberg. So much for his oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. When its his own leaders and administration that are enemies of it. Nice double standard on this particular drone.

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I am all for supporting the troops, but not this Marine. What he has said proves that he has no clue of what the Constitution really means or whats really in it or what he “swore to protect”.

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I think I speak for a lot of vets, most that I know, that would get in line to get a piece of this clown. And definitely have a better grasp of their oath than he does.

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Now I 'd like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can’t speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you’re no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you’re now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I’m not alone.

I actually agree with this part, as long as he’s going to apply that to anyone and everyone who usurps or attacks the Constitution - including the government itself. He seems to be rather selective in envisioning the scenarios where he and his NFL team of pros should be taking the field. He also seems to omit some other considerations from his analysis, such as a) whether the rest of the “pros” in the league will actually be on his side, and b) the fact that his lineup of 11 pros would be playing against the entire stadium, all at once.

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[/QUOTE][QUOTE=jwfuhrman;615522]I am all for supporting the troops, but not this Marine. What he has said proves that he has no clue of what the Constitution really means or whats really in it or what he “swore to protect”.

Damn Right! He is a “Look The Other Way” and just do what your told, no thinking on his own as to what he is doing, just being a “Machine For The Govt”. Is he a “Droid”?

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He seems to like the fact that life is simple because other people tell him what to do and how to do it. The reality is that, if any nightmare scenario like this ever happened, the “picking sides” is going to happen at a much higher pay grade than his. I wonder what he’d do if his company commander told him that they would deploying in support of a rightful action to restore constitutional rule following a government-orchestrated coup, while the “president” was on TV “ordering” the military to support him?

The truth is that it’s almost pointless to debate or discuss these things because there are so many variables and scenarios that would dictate what could and should happen.

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I do agree with the fact that we do have legislative choice. That does relieve the pressure of a civil uprising. I can’t see a scenario similar to the Civil War recurring. However if we play make believe the troops would be similary divided based on state and home town family loyalty. As well as the national guard. In any event pigs will fly first.

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Sounds like a letter that could’ve been written circa 1775 by a British soldier to scare colonialists into not starting a revolution. No one ever thought a bunch of farmers, hicks, and untrained civis could take the most powerful army in the World of that time either. First rule; do not, ever, underestimate your opponent.

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Something about his letter makes me think the author has not had any combat time.

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This is a very valid point.

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His retraction and apology are around somewhere…

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Making the bold assumption that this is a legitimate statement from this Marine, if all the military were to train their weapons on civilians, it probably would be a slaughter. But, personally I don’t see every single person in the military being willing to do that. So what’s the next step? Say there is an unwillingness on 50~75% of just the enlisted men to participate, I think the effectiveness of the military would at the least be severely hampered, if not ground to a near halt. So what next? Call in the United Nations to quell the uprising? Now that’s a scary thought. We might be fighting, dare I contemplate it, the French!

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Was this even written by a Marine, or some snot nosed Bolshevik?

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No, it was written by a Marine - SGT. Christopher Calbat. Matter of fact, this steely eyed killer is a radar technician attached to air traffic control.

http://sworksusmc.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/21/4048300-what-does-this-marine-do-on-a-beautiful-san-diego-morning-he-goes-out-and-plays-in-the-mud

Quote from his “mud run” commentary: “The 5 k run lasted approximately 45 minutes and wound up and down through the church’s property. It included hills, tunnels, low-crawling through muddy water under flags (sadly no concertina wire and M240G fire)…”

Bryanr

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I’m sure his CoC will have some words for him… :smiley:

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Not even a member of the party can be counted on to fire on civilians. When the 91 Coup occurred in the Soviet Union, it was in fact a refusal by many within the Red Army and Air Force to turn their guns on the citizenry that led to its ultimate failure. One tank company and its 10 T-72s even departed their column and took up defensive positions defending the Yeltsin “White House.” This single company commander (a Captain) served as a catalyst for many higher ranking officers to refuse orders. It got so bad that units from the Asiatic reaches of the USSR had to be trucked in hoping that their dissimilar cultures and racial animosities would promote their willingness to fire upon the Russian who were in the streets. By then it was too late and communism fell (in the East at least).

And this was the reaction of a highly centralized army under a totalitarian regime. There is no doubt in my mind that if there were LEGITIMATE civilian uprisings in the US, there would be much greater dissension among the troops.

But I agree with the letter writer on this level, massive civil revolt is one of the last things I would want to see happen.

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I don’t think this analogy holds water. A better comparison would be to Soldiers in the U.S. Army before the Civil War. I think the chances of actual armed insurrection breaking out are infinitesimally slim, but in the event that it did all of us still under oath will have to make some hard choices. Keep in mind that very few on the Union side truly relished fighting a war to reunite the South, but they waged it effectively and brutally. Ultimately, we would have to decide which course of action presents the best opportunity to preserve the spirit of the Constitution. Lincoln certainly believed in temporarily violating the Constitution to preserve the overall Union. I forget where I saw the phrase, but someone somewhere said that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. I personally believe that President Lincoln made some incredibly difficult choices that did in fact preserve the Constitution and strengthen the country. Similarly, I don’t believe that an uprising or civil war is likely to measurably improve our system of government, certainly not so that the gain outweighs the considerable cost. The current system of government is flawed, but it is much better than the years of strife and chaos that would be caused by an attempt to overthrow it. Until that is no longer true, I will stand behind my duly elected government.

All that said, if this sergeant were one of my NCOs, I would still counsel him for piss poor judgment for writing this article. All it could hope to achieve is exacerbate and inflame fears on both sides of the argument.

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Sounds like someone needs to put him in touch with these people:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

  1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

  2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

  3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

  4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

  5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

  6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

  7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

  8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

  9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Maybe they can show him the error of his ways.

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That was a hoot. Is this young Marine a reservist working for MSNBC as his day job?