That is correct.
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Thanks Grant and jmart.
Grant, just sent you an email about a light setup.
It can also help to reduce the “shadowing” effect depending on your barrel length.
I did it for one primary (95%) reason and one borderline aesthetic and possibly practical (5%) reason.
Primary: The light and hence the beam is closer to my line of sight. Potentially, the light at the 6 o’clock might have some of the beam obscured by the barrel. What I am shooting at is above the bore line, not below it.
Since I run a standard FSB, with the light at the 12 o’clock the light is “below” the profile of the FSB. It’s slightly and I emphasize, slightly protected by the FSB. If I have the light at the 6 o’clock I make the profile/footprint of my weapon larger.
At the Green Lake Tactical Association (GTA) Sniper Match I had to engage targets with my carbine through a horizontal slit. Although this was a daylight shoot, if it required illumination, I would have been hosed with the light at 6 o’clock or I would have had to rotate my carbine 90 degrees about the long axis and shoot it gangsta’ style yo!
With my setup if there was a hybrid of the X200 or X300 and the Scout light, I think it would be the ideal light for the 12 o’clock position. The question is: would there be enough of a demand/market to make it worthwhile for Surefire to make such a product?
Stony, what is your idea of a X200/ Scout light combination?
Grant,
If my response constitutes a thread hijack, I apologize and feel free to delete this response.
Re: the hybrid idea.
Take the rectangular body of the X series, but “bend” it so that is straddles the 12 o’clock rail on either side with the batteries housed at the 10 and 2 o’clock position. Have the lamp assembly at the 12 o’clock but as low as possible. Have the provision for push button or tape switch or both e.g. at the 10 and 2 o’clock positions behind the battery compartment.
Hopefully, the result is shorter than the Scout light, has a lower profile and is easier to activate on a carbine than the X series lights.
Actually, it would fit on the 3, 6 or 9 o’clock positions, but I’m trying to optimize it for the 12 o’clock position.
Kevin B’s carbine rail setup is very similar to mine, i.e. rail extending in front of the FBS.
Very interesting idea Stony. Thanks for sharing.
Hmm
Even a X300 with a “DevGrp” style pressure pad that bends down on the side (either side option) and fits along the top of the rail panel
all you’d need then is a moddified backplate
I love the pressure paddle on the NVEC Attila - and somethign similar like that I would dig…
Found this 12 o’clock mount:
Opinions…http://www.tdi-arms.com/store.php?pid=274"]
link doesn’t work anymore.
I had a thought.
How about incorporating a fixed AR front sight right into the body of the light?
Here’s another 12 o’clock mount I found. It’s made by Sidearmor and runs about $125. I’m considering using this one with a X300 because I really like how low it puts the light. Has anyone used this mount?
I like the Hahn Precision forward light mount so much that I ordered one yesterday to mount a Surefire X300 on my Noveske N4. Thanks for the info. on this product.
Question for those who’ve actually worked with the Hahn and the SideArmor:
All of the pictures show them used on barrels with conventional FSBs. Will either of them work with barrels that only have a gas block on them?
I’m predisposed to the Hahn due to cost and SideArmor’s recurring refusal to admit there are Left Handers on the planet.
… but I’ll go with what will work for my barrels. Thanks.
Unfortunately, the Hahn Precision forward light mount that I bought didn’t fit properly on the Noveske N4. The Vltor Vltor 10" VIS monolithic upper length positions the forward light mount where the barrel diameter is narrower so it would just spin around the barrel. I was able to use it on another AR with a fixed front sight and it works perfectly.
Is anybody using any of these barrel or FSB mounts on a SBR? I was just wondering if there is enough room for them with such a short barrel.
Pics would be great if available. Thanks.
Something that I have noticed with the light at the 12 o’clock position is that if you are running a suppressor, you will have a huge “butt-plug” looking shadow on the ground. I would think that one will find way more threats lying on the ground than lying on the ceiling if the light were mounted in the 6 o’clock position. Just something to think about, everything is a compromise.
According to Brownell’s website, the Sidearmor rails have been dropped by the manufacturer. They probably still have some in stock.
I would rather have a FSB mounted light rail, but the barrel mounted ones may prove adequate for those people wanting to forgo the expense and weight of a ff rail.
not 12 o’clock, but 10:30/1:30 on an offset mount like this vltor SM-OCG turned upside down might be a good compromise as the light is still on the handguard and not subjected to conducted heat from the barrel. the light is closer to the bore than if it were mounted on a side rail without an offset mount. another think i like about the vltor mount is that it puts the light closer to the center line than most other mounts.
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where did you get the Vltor light mount? Is it available or is this a “special” thing? I haven’t been able to find it anywhere.
Thanks
This is a new mount that VLTOR showed at Shot. It is not available yet.
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