Alternative Combat Training Options When Gun Access Isn't Possible?

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I’m in a country getting guns & ammo are going to be a bit of a challenge. I also haven’t fired a gun in decades.

I’m looking to get weapons & combat skills needed for family defense, all the way to potential civil war. And do it in the fastest, most practical ways possible.

I won’t be able to get guns, or ammo anytime soon. With that in mind, veterans what are the best options?
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[li] VR based video combat games? If so, which ones give the most practical translation to real world combat?
[/li][li] Airsoft? Does airsoft gaming, translate to real world combat skills?
[/li][li] Paintball gaming? Does that translate to real world combat skills?
[/li][li] BB airguns?
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If you were starting from zero, and wanting to get as proficient as possible in combat & weapons, but you won’t have access to those weapons yet, how would you do it?

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Out of curiosity which country are you living in?

I’ll preface this with there’s no real substitute to live ammunition , the noise and the recoil all come into play when staying on target.

I’d say airsoft would be the closest to real firearms if, you limit yourself to the ammo capacity of a real firearm.
If you have rifle magazines that hold hundreds of rounds, that’s not a realistic simulation of a real rifle. Magazine changes are an important part of training.

If you can find airsoft players that are combat veterans and willing to train you on the basics, that would be your best bet.

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Do you have a solid plan to get guns when you need them? Do you expect to rely on “battlefield pick ups”, this would seem a poor plan.

I’d suggest getting training in the use of what you can get where you are. Knife, hands, a stick or what ever.

Edit to add: if you’re serious about gun training and a US citizen I’d travel home and take a course or two at the sig academy or somewhere similar. Sig will rent you guns and sell you ammo for thier classes.

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Family defense is one thing, civil war is quite another. If you seriously expect that as a near term reality, might I suggest an orderly transition to a more stable environment. It beats most of the alternatives, just saying.

If that is neither possible nor acceptable to you my next suggestion would be to immerse yourself in the logistical and strategic planning. If you have the means, find an experienced individual local to you with a verifiable skillset. Recruit that individual for training purposes, potential personal protection, and as a possible asset in any upcoming troubles.

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Thanks for your feedback. I’ll go down the airsoft route. Hopefully I can find some veterans who have seen live combat.

Are there any first person shooter style games that would realistically translate to combat? (I’m not a gamer, and the thought of wasting hours gaming doesn’t appeal to me… but if it gave me the reflexes and visual processing speed I couldn’t get from airsoft training, I’d do it.)

I’d rather not comment on the country or reason for not leaving. But suffice it to say, I don’t like being unprepared. Civil war is not an impossible reality in the US either right now. (And if vaccinations become forced, I’d expect the militia to protect the people from the tyrants forcing them. And if they didn’t, that would mean America is no longer a country I would wan’t to go back to. Land of the Free and home of the Brave used to mean something. If the militia lets the tyrants get away with mandatory vaccinations, they are neither free nor brave.)

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Firearm handling and marksmanship fundamental skills can be learned and practiced to some extent with simple toy guns. Look in the forums for dry fire and low cost snap in practices.

Video games? I am thinking not. Other than possibly helping with quick decision making. Nothing beats force on force training. That is how one gains combat experience. Airsoft, paintball, throwing freaking snowballs. Adversaries doing unscripted ever changing tactics that you are forced to respond to immediately. That’s tactics. This can help defend your family in the short term.

Long term planning, recruitment, logistical and administrative support, shaping the battlefield, picking your battles,… that is strategy. This is what you need to to be able to fight on a larger scale.

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Learn to avoid bad situation, get in shape, practice martial arts (krav maga, baji quan), obtain other self defense tools.

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Airsoft for training. But that doesn’t help you protect your family. All that does is make you good at shooting fast at extremely close range and doing mag changes. Those aren’t really practical skills to have in a civil war. Besides, are you going to leave your family and go off and join some militia? I wouldn’t.

Does your country allow you to have black powder weapons? What about double barrel shotguns? Just because you can’t have an assault rifle doesn’t mean you can’t protect your family from civil unrest. Get yourself a pair of cap and ball revolvers and some black powder shotguns. They worked back then and they still work today. That’s two loads of buckshot followed by 12 .45 caliber balls.

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Veterans: Those who have seen combat, and under live fire, please chime in.

Worst case scenario: Government goes full tyrannical, enforcing NWO mandates…house to house checks…road checkpoints etc. etc. Over the horizon it looks like Covid ID is coming, and potentially mandatory vaccinations. I, and my family will not submit to NWO mandates, period, end of story.

In addition to that, we are going to see ever increasing economic hardship due to the covid false flag lockdowns. This is going to lead to civil unrest in the best case scenario.

Obviously weapons training & martial arts are valuable skills. But what else? I’m adding woodsmanship & wilderness survival to my list. But what else? And what is the realistic way to get these skills? I’m amazed at how lost these skills have become. Finding anyone in this area who is even asking the same questions let alone preparing for the worst case is a slim possibility. (Never thought I’d be asking these questions… wish I would have asked them years sooner & prepared more ahead of time.)

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The reality is that, if you can’t get guns now you shouldn’t rely on them suddenly becoming available when things get bad.

Your best bet with a tyrannical government, if you’re unarmed and unorganized, is to keep your head down and play along.

You aren’t suddenly going to pick up a random rifle and win WWIII. The people you’d be fighting already have the training you seek, and they already have the rifles.

Successful revolutions and resistances take years to form, and almost always have outside aid… and even so most fail.

I, and my family will not submit to NWO mandates, period, end of story.

…yet you live in a country that won’t let you have guns. You’ve already lost the war, now it’s just deciding exactly what hill you die on.

Your children, or grandchildren, will have to fight the war you failed to win for them.

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The reality is the reality. I’m not in denial of that. Where do we go from here? Bend over and take it like a good little slave? I think NOT!

Turning the tide around has to start somewhere.

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It does have to start somewhere, but you’re at the “education and political action” phase… assuming you’re still allowed to do that.

From the perspective of Mao Tse-tung’s “Little Red Book” you’re at phase 1 insurgency… the idea of revolution, which can’t be killed or defeated unless you kill everybody. You need to educate and advocate to spread the idea.

Armed conflict is years down the road, if ever. Most of your fellow subjects probably agree with your government, that average people shouldn’t have guns. Pick up a rifle now, you’ll just be a dead lunatic.

Plant enough idea in enough heads, and at least when you die you’ll be a martyr instead of a lunatic… and you must be willing to die for your cause, otherwise hang it up now. Even if you manage to institute your desired changes thru peaceful political process, you don’t KNOW that will work. You may have to fight for it.

Are you willing to die, see your children die, see friends and neighbors die… on both sides, for the change you want?

…and if you are, are you then willing to wait and be patient? …because dying is the easy part. Building your base, gaining credibility, educating and convincing people to your side in enough numbers that dying has a point will take years.

Buy Chairman Mao’s “Little Red Book” and read it, see what you’re setting yourself up for. It’s a lot more than “get a rifle and some magazines, and hide them under the floorboards”. If you do it right, by the time it comes to actual fighting you’ll have already won.

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If only there was time to cultivate a "revolution’. Forced vaccinations are my line in the sand. They try that with my family, then better to die & take out a few order followers in the process than submit to that. And hopefully that will put a question mark in the minds of the order followers who think they are shielded from the consequences of their actions.

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Then you’ll die to no purpose, or worse you’ll have died in aid of your enemy’s cause.

You will be dead, and your family will be dead or vaccinated anyway, your “lunacy” will reinforce your government’s “need” to keep arms out of the hands of it’s subjects… and if you’re lucky enough to take a few pawns with you, you will have created martyrs for the other side’s cause.

Again, read Mao’s book. Your enemy has already studied it thoroughly. A death that aids your enemy is worse than useless.

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@tanksoldier, you should change your handle to tankslave. Cause you’re spouting slave-think… Bend over, take it, don’t resist. Be a good little slave bitch… do what you’re told.

If the vaccination is forced, and The People don’t fight back, then we already lost going foreword.

Study history. It was compliance to one absurd order after another that led to eventual genocide. If the order followers were in fear of their life, every time they setup to enforce an order, those genocides would have never happened. Consider the real consequences next time you dutifully muzzle yourself with that mask like a good obedient slave you seem to be.

Of course all measures should be taken to avoid that, but if there are no other options, then mortal force applied to the order followers even if it means your death, you did not die in vain. You’ve put the fear in the order followers executing their next order, never knowing if they might come out alive. And we have 1000 years of history to validate that to be true.

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You aren’t going to get the info or reactions you want on an open forum.

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@tanksoldier, you should change your handle to tankslave. Cause you’re spouting slave-think

I’m spouting reality. You don’t even own a gun… but you’re going to overthrow a government. By yourself… because that’s what you’re talking about. You may get one or two, but once you cross that threshold they will send every soldier and cop in the country if they have to. It’s not like they will send two, have them die, and change their minds. You will have to kill them all.

The news headline will read: two police officers killed by lunatic with glock plastic revolver machine gun and chainsaw bayonet, lunatic neutralized by police sniper. Children locked in basement and denied vaccination by abusive parents saved.

It’s not like you’ll be around to say otherwise.

It’s not about bending over and taking it, never mind that you’ve been doing that yourself your whole life, it’s about not dying before you can make a difference. You’ve had your whole life to learn these things, to prepare for this day, to coordinate with others who believe what you do… and you haven’t… but in the 11th hour your plan is to become Rambo by playing airsoft. Doesn’t work that way.

I have studied history. My thesis was on Stalin’s rise to power. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

One dude frothing at the mouth and waving an old fowling piece or whatever you can scrape up is not going to stop, prevent or alter anything. You are literally playing into your enemy’s hands, becoming their poster boy for why “Guns r bad, mkay?“

By yourself you aren’t even a speed bump. Slave-think? You aren’t thinking at all. You’ve allowed yourself to be led by the nose for decades, and NOW you’re going to stand up and fight? The time for that was before they took your guns away in the first place.

You don’t even know HOW to fight. You said as much in your first post… but you’re going to take on professionals. OK.

Die pointlessly now, or educate your children and their children and in a few generations you might have a chance.

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You asked for advice. Listen to a little about WHEN to fight. That is some of what has been offered here.

I don’t like the idea of a mandatory covid vax either. I am not anti vax, but I want to see more knowledge before I submit. However, it is not a hill to die on. It is an insult, an overreach, but it is not a direct threat.

Read “The Art of War”. There are many other works, but that is pretty much universally available. What you describe is not effective resistance. Letting your opponent dictate the conditions and timing of your resistance is a losing strategy.

You fight when you are ready, you fight when you have a plan for winning. Yes, there are times when you must defend yourself desperately. Usually when you have allowed yourself to be blindsided. Lashing out with doomed resistance to insult guarantees failure, even by your own admission.

Plan, prepare, strategize, and execute on your terms. Asymmetric warfare is full of examples of empty resistance, but it never leads to victory for the guerrilla force. If need be, take the damn shot. Suffer the insult and prepare a winning strategy. Or lose. Your choice.

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What’s the logic behind that? What are you afraid a vaccination will do? Kill you? You’re going to die anyway, taking out some health care workers just trying to do their job. The question mark about you will be ‘What was that nut thinking?’.

Why are forced vaccinations a line in the sand for you? What have you based your information on? You’re no better informed than people accepting the vaccination and you are a slave to your own ignorance, which is just as bad. There’s blind trust, and there’s also blind distrust.