After the LAV fat post, it is interesting with aging how

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some people are that same size they were thirty years ago in HS, and some look nothing like it.

For example, Nicole Kidmann or the Rachel chick from friends seem to be aging without getting thick. Sure, some is working out and dieting, but that is just keeping fat off the frame. Others, say Princess Leia or Body Heat Turner thicken out the frame and get quite matronly.

I remember a guy whose dad was SF in Vietnam, and looking at his old pictures could not believe it was the same guy. Then I am cleaning out stuff getting ready to move, and somehow a pair of size 30 UDT shorts is still in a box of stuff. No way I must look like that guy anymore.

Anyways, we all know diet and exercise issues can lead to extra pounds.
Also, some people will gain weight on 2500 calories a day and others will lose it at baseline metabolism.

But how it is that peoples frames and faces get thicker while some others don’t is a whole different story.
Another example, Kirk vs. Spock. Kirk is hardly recognizable any more, while Spock was very recognizable till the day he died.

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I can and sometimes do wear some of the same jeans still in my closet that I sported the mid eighties, it’s just the luck of the draw IMHO. It’s the two hip surgeries, achillies tendonitis, arthritis in neck and other accociated chronic pain problems that ended my career and have taken their toll on my ability to keep up with guys like LAV. Looks are not everything but thank goodness I still have some left…lol

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Yea, it’s called genetics.

And those millionaires who’s lives depend on their image (Jennifer Aniston for example), have personal trainers, chefs, and dietitians. That helps, too, of course.

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Bingo.

If we all had the time, energy and money, we’d all look like models.

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There it is.

If I didn’t have to work and could teach three classes a night, I’d probably still be in great shape.

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Genetics certainly plays a major role, but most people who are fat get that way by taking in more calories than they need.

IMHO “lack of time” is an excuse. You can do a lot in 15 minutes a day.

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I’m only 27 and I am much worse off then when I was playing every sport on the table in high school. I have no excuses, other people are busier than I and still find time to work out hard. All my friends who eat whatever they want and never gain weight AND don’t work out can go to hell, freaking metabolisms.

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I’ve found that as I’ve gotten older that my diet and nutrition has become more important than my gym schedule. And let’s face it, eating healthy is expensive, especially when you have more mouths to feed as your family grows.

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This pretty well nails it, IMO. I won’t go into details on the Internet, but I had a life changing event 3 years ago that taught me how to eat right. With the right diet, I got totally off meds and have blood test results like a super fit teenager. I am really tired of hearing the “genetics” excuse for stupid diets.

I should add that just because someone appears fit on the outside doesn’t mean they are on the inside. It is not unheard of for “super fit” athletes to drop dead from clogged arteries. They don’t call the LAD the “widow maker” for nothing.

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Yeah, sure, I guess.

But what about these guys…

Pat Mac
JD Potinsky
Tom Spooner
Kyle Lamb
Mike Pannone
Paul Howe

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How can eating healthy be more expensive than the medical problems and shortened life that eating unhealthy causes? Not being smart, just curious.

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I am not talking just about the fat of getting out of shape, and the size gain from that.

I assure you some of the guys named above, even if still lean and in shape, are not the size they were when they enlisted.

I am talking about how some people get thicker and more heavily framed.

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I do think my issue being in my 50s and getting a bit of a gut I have to loose is the lack of activity and that is the biggest thing over diet IMHO is most of us I am sure do not get enough activity and some of us who were in super high activity jobs from framing homes to teaching sports or being a active soldier etc…

once that life stops its hard to change the intake and if injuries come into play its then hard to get the workouts in so you get it from both sides kinda thing

agree some folks look like they were when younger some you think who the heck is that :slight_smile: and not being fat as mentioned just thickening out as you say :slight_smile: its strange for sure

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If you can’t get the workouts then you HAVE to change the intake! Why is that so had for people to understand? And just because the workouts burn the calories doesn’t mean you are necessarily eating healthy.

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Yes, eating healthy is less expensive tomorrow. But it’s more expensive today. And some people don’t have the money to spend today. (Or they might be able to if they gave up their retirement fund (fiscal folly), lived close enough to work to walk or bike instead of drive (not everybody can) and therefore had no gas to pay for, or got a more fuel efficient vehicle (give up the old gas guzzler that’s paid off to buy a more fuel efficient vehicle that you now have to make payments on), gave up shooting/reloading (who on this website would willingly do that?), or other equally unsavory options.)

My experience is that exercise without diet is ineffective and diet without exercise is ineffective. Only together do they make a difference for me.

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Obesity and being over weight is a choice, so is being fit.

Yeah genetics do have a factor. I’m bulking and lifting close to a point that took a guy I know 3 years to get. I did it in 3 months. He started at 165 lbs. I started at 250. He now weighs 210. I weigh 224 now, And have added a bunch of muscle weight. The guy that tested me and pinched fat said he thinks I’ve added 9 lbs muscle. Lost the difference in fat and whatever else.

I know an older gal that is a friend of family, she lost 45 lbs. Come to find out after working with a dietician, she can’t eat bread and pasta and such. She’s was borderline diabetic. Couldn’t lose weight to save her life. Once she figured out what was wrong, boom. Gone crazy fast.

But, I eat well. 6 days a week. Diet is so important. Stop putting junk food in your mouth. Most of what is sold in grocery stores is junk. Most things that come out of a box are junk food. Wheaties and whole grain cereal aren’t.

Eat alot of whole foods. Lots of lean meat. Lots of veggies. Lots of fruit. More whole grains, Less bad carbs. Which is hard to do considering pretty much almost all of the good in the american diet is nothing but carbs. Drink more water. Ditch the soda. Keep the beer in moderation.

Don’t eat pizza and cheeseburgers 8 times with a case of whatever drink a week and think your fine if you are overweight.

Eating healthier does take effort. It requires cooking and meal prep. There just isn’t any other way. Most of all it requires changing habits. If your a sedentary person, you challenge is much greater.

As far as Mr. Vickers is concerned, anyone who has a problem or issue with his image can eff off and die. Man is a patriot and a true warrior. World would be a better place if more men were like the LAV.

Bottom line, there is no magic. Eat better, get active, stay motivated. If you over weight and happy, rock on with your bad self and enjoy life. If your over weight and not satisfied the change lies in you. When the ladies check you out, and that hasn’t happened in the last decade… Hell yes that’s a good feeling.

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its not hard to understand ? its just sometimes a reality its hard to do cause you get used to doing something for over 20 years ?

and some that change the intake still seem to still gain weight were some who do not never seem to gain ? I got a buddy who ate like a horse still does and is still a skinny guy
some other buds I know eat insane healthy and work out and still kinda look heavy but they are in good shape
for sure its a personal balance of what you can eat and how much you need to work out as said they go hand in hand :slight_smile:

so understanding is not the issue I dont think and I do wonder if your body after doing something for 20+ years that is super active takes a dif slow down approach than someone who never had that life and only hit the gym a bit ? dont know :slight_smile:

a good example of that got thicker as he got older is Greg Lemond

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OK.
The Vickers post was about fat. Decreased activity due to age, desire, injuries,
with increased calories,
and/or the slowing metabolism that means increase activity or decrease intake.

This post was supposed to be about how some guys keep their same little Tom Cruise frame, etc. vs. others that even when muscular and lean-just piain have bigger chests, wider hips, etc. than when they were younger and work out.

I see people back where I grew up. Some look the same. Some look like their parents did when we were kids. And at that time they did not look like their parents.

Some pretty swole, big bad ass bad guy killers were scrawny little dudes when they were younger. But it is almost like they went through puberty, were still little dudes,
but like went through puberty again later and got bigger (not taller).

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They either didn’t change the intake enough, or they are eating the wrong foods. Probably both in most cases.
And again, don’t confuse thin with healthy. The unhealthy could still be on the inside if they aren’t eating right - HBP, diabetes, clogged arteries, etc.

As cbx said “Eat a lot of whole foods. Lots of lean meat. Lots of veggies. Lots of fruit. More whole grains, Less bad carbs.”
To his list I would add berries and unsalted nuts.

I would also add, the less processed the food you eat the better. Some of wouldn’t believe the amount of added salt and sugar in processed foods. Learn to read labels and do not believe any claims on the front of the package, box or can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3JlxJHp2LQ
http://www.forksoverknives.com/the-film/

A real challenge is eating out. I have learned that most decent restaurants with modify your order to yours needs such as replace butter in recipe with olive oil. Fast food restaurants won’t.

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not sure how old you are

take a pic of you in mid 20s then 30s then 40s then 50s and post those up here lets see if you keep that shape :slight_smile: