What an 86 year old republican retired vet has to say about gay marriage. Not really looking to open the topic to debate per se (as I doubt this vid will change anyone’s position) but I thought the man earned (and then some!) the right to be heard. I don’t have to agree with a person to respect their opinion (although I don’t disagree with him) when they have earned the hard way respect due to deeds and honor.
Good stuff, thanks for posting.
I can’t stand Republicans that mix religion and politics.
I can’t stand any politician that mixes religion an politics.
Other than gay households being less desirable for adoption of children I’m not aware of a single other issue specific to homosexuals that I could give a damn about.
Agreed. I mentioned Republicans specifically because I think the religious nutballs and the big gov’t Republicans go hand in hand and hurt the causes I believe in.
I’m concerned about the prospect of marriage being considered a “right” only in so far as that could be used to force churches to marry gays. If some churches decided to do it of their own free will, good for them, but no church should be forced to marry anyone.
I’m of the opinion that government shouldn’t have any role whatsoever in marriage.
Let’s do a poll of the remaining service men who stormed Omaha beach on if they were there fighting for gay rights and call the whole issue complete based on that.
That’s not what he said specifically. You are twisting his words.
Are any churches currently forced to marry anyone? If a mixed race couple wanted to marry in X church, and church refused due to their being mixed race, is that cool with you? Not cool with me.
Not my area of expertise, but does a Catholic church have to marry to Luthrans if that Catholic church does not wish to? I don’t think so, but someone else can clarify.
Let me clarify…
Too simplistic. They don’t want to be married in the church, or specifically, that isn’t the real goal. The concept is that as they ‘legalize’ the gay lifestyle and put it in terms of the civil rights cases based on race. Once you have that in place, real religions will be attacked legally as being discriminatory and marginalized as some kind of modern KKK.
It isn’t about gay marriage. The radicals see it as a way to tear down and marginalize religion with the courts. It started with cries that since something may be ‘immoral’ it doesn’t mean it should be illegal- just look at the Texas sodomy law that was struck down. I can understand that, but the pivot is that they now try to define morality as what is legal. We have gone from it what is immoral is illegal, to if it is legal it must be moral.
This isn’t just about gays. You let the gay uncle in and all of sudden he brings his crossdressing friends, his post-operative transexual buddy while they wait for the NAMBLA guy to bring the medical marijuana.
They show the nice glam lesbian couple or the yuppie gay couple, but they are really selling the tranny hooker as teh next speaker at career day.
Yeah, yeah. I’m just a conservative asshole who is repressed. That is what they said about Rick Santorum when he said striking down the Texas sodomy law would be used to further gay marriage. He just happened to be right.
Sorry to see old people loose it. Hope he signed his estate over to the GLBTT groups, wonder how his gay son would feel about that.
Wow, just wow. A secret conspiracy to “tear down religion” through legalizing gay marriage and an insinuation that marijuana is evil.
Not only a religious bigot but someone who believes in the righteousness of the “war” on drugs.
Couple that with an adolescent insult linking belief in gay rights to “losing it” at the end. Classy, Frommywhatever…
He said no such thing. You know that and so do I. You are either being intellectually dishonest or you didn’t actually listen to it.
If we were to ask surviving vets if they stormed the beach fighting for the principles of the US Const, some of which he mentions, I’d bet vast majority will say yes.
If you were to ask some of them (consider the time now…) if that also included black people given equal rights to whites, some might say no…
Some times people see how the big picture fits into the smaller ones, some times they don’t.
Gay anything scares the hell out of most people that age, vets or otherwise.
So, you take him at exactly what he said, and at least frame the Q fairly to what he actually said.
I agree, it might make for an interesting poll! 
Thank you!
‘War on drugs’ is the law of the land- how does that make me a radical? Are you saying that everyone that has gotten a medical marijuana script has a real need. Please!!
Not much of a secret and I don’t think it is a conspiracy. If you don’t think the ‘gay rights’ movement is an attack on the Catholic church, you are very short sighted.
Not only a religious bigot
There, right there is exactly what I’m talking about!!! Anyone who stands by Catholic doctrine saying homosexuaility is wrong is a bigot. Thanks for proving my point.
I don’t go for classy, I go for right.
Thanks for your comments Lew.
The reason that this video is interesting is that he is a vet of that era and a Republican to boot. If we are going to make WWII vets the arbiters of what should be legal lets ask all of them.
I’m just gonna quote you instead of replying to other guy. You wrote something much more civilized than what I was about do.
Not really “cool” with me, but that’s a poor attempt at equivocation anyway. I see the argument you are trying to make, but I’m not buying it.
Gay marriage isn’t a civil rights issue, for that matter miscegenation isn’t either, it only becomes an issue when government decides it needs to regulate social matters in the first place, namely by the issuance and recognition of marriage “licenses,” or outright bans on certain forms of social interaction (namely interracial and gay marriages). Insofar as gays demanding that they should be issued marriage licenses by the government under equal protection, they are absolutely right and to be honest, I support them in that endeavor (even though I don’t personally agree with their behavior).
The problem lies in the following, homosexual activists have already stated that should Prop 8 be overturned on Constitutional grounds they are going to pursue marriage in churches that supported and sponsored the ballot initiative, specifically the Mormons. When they are denied they will sue on violation of civil rights grounds. Whether that dog will hunt is another matter, but lawsuits are expensive and they will bankrupt independent non-denominational churches, which is what the intent is anyway. I certainly don’t agree with that.
This entire problem was generated when government decided it needed to regulate a social matter. Government is the problem, not the gays and not the churches that refuse to marry them.
Not my area of expertise, but does a Catholic church have to marry to Luthrans if that Catholic church does not wish to? I don’t think so, but someone else can clarify.
Probably because marriage isn’t recognized as a “right,” yet.
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Oh, wait, you were actually trying to be serious? :blink:
Threadlock in 5…4…3…
I cannot state forcefully enough how little I care about gay marriage’s impact on the Catholic Church. Somehow you infer that gay rights is part or at the forefront of an attack on the Catholic Church?
Apart from pointing out this is beyond fanciful, I just don’t really give a damn if human rights affect your church’s backwards and idiotic stance on anything from condoms in Africa to sheltering pedophiles to allowing women to be priests.
I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck.
As far as I’m concerned this is almost as reprehensible as your church’s stance on the Holocaust during WWII and not allowing the Bible to translated from Greek or Latin.
The US Const. is hopefully the arbiter of what is legal if actually followed. That’s what he and others doing there: fighting for the principles of freedom, human rights, “all men are created equal” and so forth per his comments. Thus, If it can’t be shown there’s a compelling reason it should illegal based on Const. grounds, does not interfere with my “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” and involves consenting adults, that’s the major test for me personally on social issues, be it drugs, gay marriage, etc.
That’s what equal rights, human rights and “all men are created equal” means to me.
I don’t know that I buy that.
I do know that homosexual activists have sued in the past, and have promised to sue in the future, churches on basically political grounds. Is it an attempt to tear down “religion” or just petty retribution? I’m leaning toward simple human pettiness.
As far as the claim that legality equals morality, abortion is legal and a pretty large percentage of the population doesn’t view it as moral. The same can be said for premarital intercourse. Or (cringing) war.
I’ve never understood why people have an issue with gays. Maybe its your silly religion based on the beliefs of ancient middle eastern tribes. Maybe it makes you uncomfortable because its different. Maybe it makes you feel less than somehow or you are a closet homosexual yourself. Maybe your politician or religious leader sees it as an issue they can use to manipulate people with.
In any event its 2011. Time to get over it.
Gay people are not asking for or demanding “special” rights. They are asking for the same rights as everyone else and they should have them. Spare me the conspiratorial “liberals want to destroy religion” nonsense. Thats pitiful and weak. As if being liberal makes you somehow non-religious. If only it did.
I spent many years in the Marine Corps starting in the 70’s. If gays are some of the few people willing to fight and die for this country its fine by me. From what I’ve seen the only military people bothered by gays are REMf’s whose only claim to tough guy status is they are heterosexual and wear a uniform.