Form 1 (SBR) Engraving Requirements

[Army Chief]

I could also see a day when things are further restricted and having been too young to buy machine guns when they were affordable I would like to buy SBRs now.

Hear, hear. We live, and [just sometimes] we learn. Aptly put.

AC

[Todd.K]

I bought a complete lower this way and was interested in buying a stripped DD SBR lower to just put away for now. It turns out the deal never happened. This is when I reached out to DD and found out they would do it if I bought an SBR upper from them and they attached it to their lower. Im not sure we will see SBR lowers sold anymore.

The ATF has clarified the fact a lower does not meet the definition of an SBR so I'd agree there.


We are going to promote the fact we will build and register an SBR with a customer's Noveske lower when they buy a short upper. We will probably have something up on the website early next year. Spread the word if you want, the paperwork is a bit of extra work but we decided to do this as a way to thank our customers and provide a service that is pretty rare but very cool.

[usmcvet]

Todd

That is great news and an excellent example of a business going the extra mile for their customers!

Thanks for the heads up.

[usmcvet]

The ATF has clarified the fact a lower does not meet the definition of an SBR so I'd agree there.


We are going to promote the fact we will build and register an SBR with a customer's Noveske lower when they buy a short upper. We will probably have something up on the website early next year. Spread the word if you want, the paperwork is a bit of extra work but we decided to do this as a way to thank our customers and provide a service that is pretty rare but very cool.

Here is a new thread to spread the good word:

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=852070#post852070

Just want to point out I don't own a Noveske or DD but they're on my short list.

[Ryno12]

Sorry for bumping this thread but AC's questions regarding the engraving of SBR barrels closely mirrors mine and thus saved me a ton of typing.

I would like to engrave the "other" information on either the barrel or upper receiver with the required trust name and location. I've seen it posted many times that if an individual were to engrave on the uppers, then any & all uppers would have to be engraved; not just the SBR uppers. Could someone clarify that for me? My thought would be that it would only need to be on the SBR uppers since, when that particular upper is removed, it no longer meets the requirements for an SBR rifle. Why then, would any uppers with 16"+ barrels also need to be engraved?
Also, for clarification, I have several ARs and some will be SBR'd on F1's and others will not.
My goal is to keep the SBR lowers clean & free from engravings. (Why? Because that's my preference.)

[BigWaylon]

Short uppers only. It's not an NFA weapon when it's not configured that way.

[Ryno12]

Short uppers only. It's not an NFA weapon when it's not configured that way.

That was my thought. Thanks for clarifying BigWaylon.

[BigWaylon]

That was my thought. Thanks for clarifying BigWaylon.

That's purely my opinion, but I haven't seen a statute that would lead me to believe otherwise.

ETA: to be clear, that's "my opinion" in regards to the engraving question...ATF has clearly stated the gun can be reconfigured (for reselling, hunting, interstate transport, etc) and is not under the purview of the NFA regs, so that's not in question

[Hmac]

ATF states that on their NFA FAQ. If a weapon doesn't have a barrel shorter than 16 inches, it is not under their purview regardless of how the receiver is "registered" with the NFA Branch. 16 + inch uppers would not need to be engraved.

[Renegade]

ATF states that on their NFA FAQ. If a weapon doesn't have a barrel shorter than 16 inches, it is not under their purview regardless of how the receiver is "registered" with the NFA Branch. 16 + inch uppers would not need to be engraved.

SCOTUS states that too, so I think it is a safe bet.