Your thoughts of .223 64 gr SPEER GDSP?

[WS6]

@TriumphRat675

GD is very similar to if not exactly the same as the Federal Fusion loads. Supposedly made the same way on the same equipment, etc. I have been able to find Fusion in local shops that cater to hunters. From my non-scientific testing (i.e., shooting stuff at dusk out of an 11.5" barrel), it appears to have a similar level of flash suppression as GD.

I would also like to know this, since I just bought some of it.

“Buy first, ask questions later” is what I always say. Makes sense in the current environment.

Well…

Pull one down.

Does it have neck sealant? Does it have primer sealant? What is the date on the box for manufacture? Does it have a brass casing instead of a nickel plated one?

[TriumphRat675]

I’ll report back as soon as I get it. By “just bought” I meant “15 minutes ago.”

[ST911]

If I’m not mistaken, ICE also had its own spec/sku for their HST in brass cases. One of our resident ICE-icles can verify. Whatever agency, the commercially available round was the XM40–.

[Watrdawg]

I bought some of this earlier today also. Once it comes in ill make what comparisons I can.

[RioGrandeGreen]

USBP uses the 64 grain and it comes with a brass case.

[DocH]

I have a supply of the same round,64gr. Gold Dot “ICE”.
The number on my boxes is 24447.What’s the difference? They appear identical to me. ??

[archad]

@DocH

I have a supply of the same round,64gr. Gold Dot “ICE”.
The number on my boxes is 24447.What’s the difference? They appear identical to me. ??

Its the same. I asked my engineer friend that works @ speer locally.

ETA link to my Gold Dot cloneshttp://beta.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=363421

[DocH]

Thanks archad. I figured the same,but the designations can get confusing.Appreciate the info.

[WS6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYZ7sYAD_sM

This guy got 18.5" penetration, 0.48" expansion, and 54gr retained weight in his 4-layer denim/gel test.

My shooter got @18" penetration, 0.46" expansion, and 59.2gr retained weight shooting a deer (16" barrel, 100 yard impact).

Very good correlation, even if the sample-size invalidates it, lol.

[jstone]

@CaptainN8

Man I wish we could get these bullets as components!

Federal sells the fusion as a component. They do not have the 64 it is a 62. I have seen them quite a few places. I just prefer other bullets.

2013 is going to bring us reloaders one of the better bonded bullets available. Nosler is releasing there 64grain bonded solid base as a component under the bonded performance line. It is constructed like the trophy bonded bear claw. It has a bonded lead front section with a solid copper base.

Winchester has an interesting new load coming out as well. Im not sure if it will be a component. It is a copper jacket lead core bullet. The difference is the lead in the base is bonded, and the top is non bonded. They claim it works like a partition. The front expands rapidly while the bonded rear section holds together to help with penetration.

[CaptainN8]

@jstone

Federal sells the fusion as a component. They do not have the 64 it is a 62. I have seen them quite a few places. I just prefer other bullets.

2013 is going to bring us reloaders one of the better bonded bullets available. Nosler is releasing there 64grain bonded solid base as a component under the bonded performance line. It is constructed like the trophy bonded bear claw. It has a bonded lead front section with a solid copper base.

Winchester has an interesting new load coming out as well. Im not sure if it will be a component. It is a copper jacket lead core bullet. The difference is the lead in the base is bonded, and the top is non bonded. They claim it works like a partition. The front expands rapidly while the bonded rear section holds together to help with penetration.

Good to know about that nosler bullet. My LGS stocks nosler, so I would love to get my hands on some.

[Sixgun_Symphony]

@jstone

Winchester has an interesting new load coming out as well. Im not sure if it will be a component. It is a copper jacket lead core bullet. The difference is the lead in the base is bonded, and the top is non bonded. They claim it works like a partition. The front expands rapidly while the bonded rear section holds together to help with penetration.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1450546&postcount=83

Not impressive

[jstone]

You’re right results are not impressive. I just said it sounds interesting.

[bp7178]

So on the basis of a milk jug test we’re talking about how impressive a round is?

[Snake_Plissken]

@bp7178

So on the basis of a milk jug test we’re talking about how impressive a round is?

Welcome to the internet.

[ALCOAR]

@bp7178

So on the basis of a milk jug test we’re talking about how impressive a round is?

Typical internet sniper reply…care to tell us how you personally evaluate a round’s performance, outside reading and commenting on the internet that is.

[vicious_cb]

@jstone

Federal sells the fusion as a component. They do not have the 64 it is a 62. I have seen them quite a few places. I just prefer other bullets.

2013 is going to bring us reloaders one of the better bonded bullets available. Nosler is releasing there 64grain bonded solid base as a component under the bonded performance line. It is constructed like the trophy bonded bear claw. It has a bonded lead front section with a solid copper base.

Winchester has an interesting new load coming out as well. Im not sure if it will be a component. It is a copper jacket lead core bullet. The difference is the lead in the base is bonded, and the top is non bonded. They claim it works like a partition. The front expands rapidly while the bonded rear section holds together to help with penetration.

Someone tested the 62gr fusion bullet in the XM223SP1 load through barriers and it didnt hold together very well.

[gun71530]

@bp7178

So on the basis of a milk jug test we’re talking about how impressive a round is?

Did you miss the first page that showed the effects of the round on a whitetail deer?

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[WS6]

@vicious_cb

Someone tested the 62gr fusion bullet in the XM223SP1 load through barriers and it didnt hold together very well.

I tested it point-blank through a windshield shooting from inside of the car out, and it stayed in a much larger piece than M193 did, as evidenced by impacts on the berm that observers said looked like unobstructed M193. I did not recover any slugs, but unscientifically, it did show that it would be fine.

[vicious_cb]

@WS6

I tested it point-blank through a windshield shooting from inside of the car out, and it stayed in a much larger piece than M193 did, as evidenced by impacts on the berm that observers said looked like unobstructed M193. I did not recover any slugs, but unscientifically, it did show that it would be fine.

Are you talking about gold dot or XM223SP1?

See test here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=112461