This is a huge invasion of privacy. I can’t wait until they start selling the information they harvest to third parties, if they haven’t already. So where is the line drawn, does one even exist anymore?
Thoughts?
J
Might want to read the EULA that comes with the Iphone… when you buy it and use it, you agree to certain things. Don’t like it, don’t buy it.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf
section 4 primarily.
Don’t think for a minute that similar data isn’t being obtained by Google.
No, there is no privacy anymore as long as one is on the grid.
My point is though Hmac, that people can’t/shouldn’t cry about their privacy when they so easily sign it away without reading the EULA when they use stuff. Google has a very interesting EULA as well. It’s boring reading, but it still just amazes me the “rights” people toss in the can for a little convenience.
It’s not about someone violating peoples rights, it’s simply about people giving UP their rights.
There is no evidence the info leaves the phone (except to be stored in a backup when you sync the phone to your computer – again it does not leave the computer). I don’t really care about data that is not being sent anywhere, personally.
I am more concerned about Google keeping all my search terms and stuff, which they do. Data that leaves my possession.
(And I am much more concerned about stuff I post here. People will post their complete firearms collection, including pictures, TO THE PUBLIC INTERNET, but are worried about data stored and kept, not sent anywhere, on their phone?)
Which does not address this particular claim of data storage and tracking.
How does it not?
“You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries and agents may collect, maintain, process and use diagnostic, technical and related information, including but not limited to information about your iPhone, computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the iPhone Software, and to verify compliance with the terms of this License. Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you.”
I don’t think this is about tracking individuals per se, it’s about marketing information. Just like Google’s algorithms, they track it to sell you stuff, MORE stuff. Any time you visit a website with certain products (ie. Harbor Freight), those ads will show up on other sites you visit in their ad bars. It may not be “identifying” you personally, but it is most definitely “connected” to you. Being they can track that across millions of users and millions of IP’s, someone, somewhere CAN connect it to you personally. If they couldn’t, you wouldn’t see ads for places you’ve personally visited in the past.
I wouldn’t be looking for black helicopters so much as a coupon from a local eatery or grocery store that you frequent or pass by on a regular basis.
I think the case can be made that this information is not “diagnostic, technical and related information” as is commonly understood.
This is most definitely bullshit. The good thing is, now that the story is broken, I would bet there will be a jailbroken app to stop this shit in its tracks.
Are you saying that what I am saying is BS or what the claim of the iPhone keeping data is BS?
I agree with the second part and my claim is that the EULA cited does not really allow them to do so.
Them doing it is fucked up, but they are definitely doing it. I spent an hour last night looking through the file on my phone.
Time to invest in a GPS jammer.
It does not use the GPS (most of the time). Most of the data is through cell tower triangulation. The GPS takes a lot of power, relatively speaking, and is only turned on when needed.
There is no indication that the data is sent anywhere.
I agree it is bothersome, but people post a lot more stuff here in public that could actually be harmful than the data gathered on the phone and not sent anywhere.
buddy did his phone horribly inaccurate ? but still BS and no reason they should be doing this
the inaccurate is worse if they decide they want to get you for whatever reason and show you are or were within a certain area !
example buddy was in a dif city at a airport and convention center and it showed him all over the place ? basically looks like any tower he might have been connected to when making calls yet he did not travel ?
This information has been public for months: alexlevinson.wordpress.com
It’s really not a big deal. If it bothers you, don’t use any 3G iOS devices and you won’t have to worry about it.
There is nothing nefarious going on here, just a smart phone keeping data it needs for its “smartness.”
Thinking about it, it is possible the data is used to get better connections. Ie, the phone has been in an area before and can make certain assumptions about that area based on past performances.
There is absolutely zero evidence that Apple is retrieving this info.
I think its going to be for the iads so they can,push whqts local to you and they are going to use the info at some point ? First they wanted to see if people protest or are ok with it ?
So local iads or for their social project rumor ?
Based on the blog link a few posts up, that would be illegal (in California at least) and I seriously doubt that they do it for that reason. It appears to be a baseband log that is only used by the phone itself.
I guess it would have to do with Quality of Service issues myself.
Do you believe it?
Apple not reviewing location data, researcher says
There is an App for that.
Jailbreak app stops iPhone track-tracking in its tracks
Nice!
The hacker community comes through again.
Modern consumer/personnel electronics with backdoor features to infringe upon a person’s 4th Amendment rights. . .so what else is new? In the digital age privacy is a concept of the past.
Remeber the NSA sat up shop in AT&T’s basement or when the UAE wanted to ban Blackberries?