Don’t answer my question, with I would never move to a place as messed up as CA.
For what ever reason your moving to CA, what would you do about having guns there? What guns would you buy to feel comfortable with living in CA?
Sell everything and buy one at a store in CA to be safe.
You are going to be limited to 10 rounds, period.
Bullet button AR’s are retarded and pointless. I would start going the M1a route if forced.
Honestly, If I am at that point…It means guns no longer matter that much to me.
Therefore:
1911
P225
Benelli M2 w/ slugs
Remington 700 in .300 Win Mag
Model 686 4"
That really would be all I’d need. Nothing I couldn’t handle. I’d miss ARs but if this is purely “just for defense”; I can’t think of much I couldnt handle with the aforementioned.
This is a moronic statement and if you just think it through for a minute, you’ll see why. Look up Raddlock bullet button. My ARs are four turns of a screw different than yours.
Understand, I’m not attacking you, I’m disputing your statement. I like you and enjoy reading your posts, but I can’t let that statement stand.
I put bullet buttons on some, bought some 10 rounders, and witches one gun over to “featureless” but I didn’t sell anything or get rid of anything. In fact, every time I leave the state for military training or to visit people I come back with more regular mags. I am seriously considering not complying with the newest round of laws, in which case I might just remove all my bullet buttons, keeping my HD gun featureless though.
Yoni, you will need to call the local LE in the area you are moving to. You’ll get wildly varying answers on this question. LAPD will have someone behind a desk telling you one thing, and the local sheriff in a rural red county will tell you the opposite.
I think you can bring all your handguns, but they will all have to be registered in CA to be legal. You can’t buy certain ones here that are not on “the list”, but my understanding is that people can bring those guns that they already own with them. We had a loophole that closed on Jan 1st of this year that allowed a parent to ship to an FFL of an adult child, or adult child to ship to the FFL of a parent in CA guns that weren’t on “the list” and legally transfer them to a CA resident. I mention this because it is not illegal to have off-list handguns here, as long as they entered the state legally through an FFL. You just can’t buy them over the counter here.
Prior to Jan 1st of this year, we could still possess standard cap and high cap mags if they were pre-ban, or refurbished pre-ban mags, but I think this ended. Not sure if that took effect in Jan 2017, or if it takes effect Jan of 2018. None of us care, and everyone I know is ignoring this. Its in dispute, and no one knows what the law is or what to do about it. If anyone is worried about it, stick to 10 rounders in public and no one will bother you.
All normal shotguns and bolt guns are fine as long as they meet federal standards of 18"+ barrels.
ARs, AKs, etc. are in a bit of limbo right now. Bullet buttons were the work-around for a few years, but the libs apparently caught on and have attempted to end that loophole. CA DOJ is supposed to come out with some compliance guidelines, but its also tied up in the courts right now too. This won’t take effect until Jan 2018, and frankly we don’t know what we’re going to do about it. Most people I know are taking their bullet buttons off and ignoring all of this liberal non-sense, but they made “assault weapon” possession a felony with this new batch of laws, so ignoring it is not without risk. You can also register them as assault weapons, and keep them, but no one wants to do that for obvious reasons. There is supposedly a new device that you can install and be able to legally keep your guns without any sort of registration, but we are all in a wait-and-see pattern at the moment. I have LEO friends telling me to ignore it all and that none of them intend to enforce any of this, but… well… its a dilemma.
This is pretty much the same story I hear from everyone here.
In regards to your statement about bringing back mags, I think what you meant to say is that you brought home magazine parts in order to repair and refurbish your pre-ban existing standard and high cap magazines that you already had in your possession before the ban went into effect, right? Say “yes”. Please.
This is what I would do. Instead of idiotic with an AR, I would become a master of guns not targeted by the ban. Still lots of good choices.
Not moronic in the slightest. They remove one of the driving requirements for the original concept of the AR, they are retarded. There are FAR better options for long guns in HD situations than the AR if you can’t have a removable magazine or other intended features.
And lets be honest, which is more probable. You have to use your weapon in a home defense situation or you have to remove your BB to fight off hoarding zombies during the apocalypse…
My advice to the OP is get a system that is fully featured for its platform and become as efficient with it as possible and be confident in your skills with it.
Your best resources are Calguns.net and the California Dept. Of Justice: Bureau of Firearms.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=741530
See “Moving to California” thread.
Note: If you are LE or active Military there are some exemptions.
I would definitely go the M1A and 1911 route if I lived out there. Then maybe some pump shotguns, wheelguns and .22’s for plinking.
I believe the M1A’s with compensators instead of flashiders are legal like this one:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-scout-squad/#AA9120
Nope, doesn’t matter as rebuild kits are illegal as well, have been for the last two years so I simply no longer care.
If memory serves me correctly, the complete mag ban goes into effect July 1st.
I believe they are as well, I would pick up a SOCOM 16 instead of the scout tho.
Late-war/Korean War-era M1 Carbine with Ultimak, SF Scout, and AP Micro OR a “Tanker” Garand in 308 OR a Winchester 73 or 92 Trapper in 357 Mag.
Wilson Combat 1911 in 9mm.
I’d rather have a bare muzzle than a brake on a defensive gun.
I’d probably have a couple of each, the Scout Squad and the SOCOM. Or maybe some LRB M25’s with the railed receivers and tanker barrel set ups w/ comps. Then a couple of outfitted 1911’s with eight round mags for carry or ten round magazines for the house. I wouldn’t feel undergunned at all honestly. I wouldn’t bother with a bullet button anything.
I couldn’t bring most of my guns into the state. Probably go 1911, Rem 870 and something like a Steyr scout.
Pretty much this. TBH, if I were moving into CA now, I would probably leave most of my firearms with trusted family in TX, and just bring the 1911s, revolvers, and Marlin lever out here. Firearms and accessories that were completely legal when I first moved to CA in 2012 are now illegal. Starting in 2019 (IIRC), you won’t even be able to buy ammo online or in a store any more without a special license from the state. There is zero doubt in my mind they will continue making gun laws worse for honest folks, until firearms can’t be legally owned or enjoyed anymore. Meanwhile ganstas still gonna gansta, and still gonna get off on plea deals. What I find particularly saddening is that even the police out here realize how bad the laws have become. I’ve met some great folks who carry firearms for a living here, and they all understand how screwed-up this state is politically. They support people like us, who enjoy firearms, understand the value of hard work, and take personal defense seriously. Yet things don’t seem to get better out here. Up there in Sacramento, they just keep doubling down on stupid, forgiving criminals and punishing honest people. It’s too bad, because this state really truly does have a lot of nice places and people in it. They’re just outnumbered and/or politically outgunned by the real nut-cases.
Guns matter to me a lot, as do personal responsibility and the right to self defense. None of this is in line with CA’s political agenda. I’ve come up with a solution I can live with in the long-term, but I promise you I won’t be in CA one day longer than the military says I have to be.
So a SOCOM is legal?
No need for a bullet button?
If this is true then it would be a SOCOM and a 9mm 1911.
Only if you’re willing to register your SOCOM, or permanently modify it as a breech-loading, fixed magazine SOCOM. Bullet buttons are no longer approved by the state, so don’t waste your money on them.
The other thing a lot of people overlook is that, per the law, every firearm that is brought into the state has to be registered with the state, for a nominal fee of $19.00 per firearm. Because, you know, they’re dangerous and all…
Only pistols brought into the state have to be registered, don’t have to register anything else. As far as obeying the new round of laws, making the magazine fixed, or registering it as an AW when they get around to letting people register, that’s up to each person as to what they decide what to do. Me personally, I’m not registering anything and am still undecided if I’m going to make my guns featureless or swap out the bullet button for the new ones, or just say F it and just ignore the law. You have until Jan 1, 2018 to make the decision.