Yaa! Abortion is back in the news- actual concern about new 'bounty' provision

Before this becomes a complete crap-fest, just a couple of procedural things that I think are relevant to us:

The MSM making it out to be that it was some sweeping decision when it was a vote procedural issues. Standing- it’s a bitch. And the left has jammed that down our throats for decades. Remember when the guys who wrote, ran and paid for Prop8 (sanctity of marriage) ballot measure in CA weren’t allowed to defend it in court because they, of all people, didn’t have ‘standing’. So F the dems.

Funny, I don’t hear much about ‘democracy’ and voice of the people… this is a law by duly elected officials, where are the dems demanding that we protect voting and representatives? So F the dems.

Psaki- she narrowly got out of the low blow she did to the male reporter. He’s a male so he doesn’t have a say abortion? Uhm, Jen have you ever had an abortion, since you are the final say on this? Uhm, Jen, according to your side, men can have babies too… And lastly, why is this a female only issue? Weren’t we all babies? Doesn’t that give us all a say? OR are you holding the unborn hostage? God, I used to have a thing for red heads, but after this dumb-ass, she cured me. So F the Dems…

Finally, and really the main part of my reason for bringing this up- the structure of the law. It’s hard to get the actual legal issues and structure of the law, but the ‘bounty’ is interesting. Reminds me of the ADA compliance lawsuit/shakedowns. But what I’m concerned about is the left taking a similar strategy on guns. Not sure how it could actually work, but I could see them, with their lack of respect of the 1A and 2A that if you post something about being progun or say that looters should be shot, that they could sue you for formenting or enabling violence. Any Texas lawyers have any insights into the law and how that approach might work on different areas?

Seeing as per capita, more black babies are aborted than any other race, if you’re pro abortion you must be a racist. Isn’t that how we determine reality now a days…?

Come on, we all know it is global warming that is something, something, abortion. :wink:

Any chance of a bounty based anti-2A law?

If there is, I hope they’re toting bear spray like Dog The Bounty Hunter.

So my basic 101 problem is this.

  1. Men don’t get to decide if the baby is kept, even if they really want it.

  2. Men are automatically made financially responsible for any children.

If “choice” to conceive is 100% up to the female than the male should not be held financially responsible for a choice he had no say in.

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Absolutely. I have said that for years and get little more than howls insults from women. They definitely want to cherry pick the best of feminism and paternalism.

I just want to see how they are going to spin “My Body, My Choice” for abortion vs vax.

And yes, 100%.

Someone going to explain this “bounty” thing, or post a link to an explanation…??

Umm…I don’t care what Jen thinks. She has no right to assume my gender. Furthermore she has no right to assume who can and can’t be birthing people.

You say all it takes to be a woman is to say you’re a woman so I demand an apology for assuming I can/can’t be a berthing person or that I’m or am not woman!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/biden-admin-replaces-mothers-birthing-people-maternal-health-guidance-1598343%3Famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5054296001

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If I understand it correctly, the State doesn’t do the enforcement, rather private entities are allowed to sue those who get, perform, or otherwise abet abortions after the ~6th week. Those bringing suit need not have any connection to those involved with the abortion.

The bounty analogy comes in because private entities are doing the State’s work for them, like bringing in wanted individuals.

That no one has been named in a suit yet is why the higher courts have been reluctant to get involved. As of now, the Supremes say no one has standing to challenge the law.

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Planned Parenthood got served and the local state judge put a stay on it and all the other cases that may come up. So all that for what amounts for a 24 hour delay versus the old model.

There is no spin to be spun. You can’t claim a right for yourself and then turn around and say it’s not for someone else because you don’t like their version of it.

OK, I think I see the play. Or what could happen. California, either with current gun laws, or with a new one, makes it a civil offense and allows people to sue people $10k for possessing what is banned.

Already have it. They’re called “Red Flag Laws”. They just don’t come with monetary damages (yet).

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You know;
I’ve been single for a while,
I’m 60 now, but when I was 56, I knocked up a 44 year old woman, who had assured me that she could not get pregnant.
Your mind goes some strange places and you might do the math and decide to pull that trigger.
You know, I hate to say it, but I am awfully glad she miscarried.
And that’s just the truth about that.

With regards to your last part about the way the law was written, my trust attorney emailed us this:

https://www.ctmtips.com/doug-turner-texas-law-note/

Apparently it is quite relevant to the 2A.

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That was one of my first thoughts- this would weaponize the red flag laws. IS that civil or Crim?

Frankly, it would be interesting for NY or CA to try it. Frankly, even if limited to a AWB gun set, it might force SCOTUS to finally sanctify AW possession.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the MO of modern day “liberals”…

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