XM-25 "smart gun" going into battle this summer? (Video)

Video demonstration is worth watching: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/05/us-special-forc.php

The XM-25 Individual Airburst Weapon is the kind of gun that you see in movies such as Fifth Element or Judge Dredd, but never expect to be real. Well, it certainly is real, and it’s now ready to be tested in combat.

The gun fires a 25-millimeter “smart round” that can be detonated at pre-programmed distance, spreading shrapnel in all directions. It uses a rangefinder to figure out how far away a target is, and the operator can manually adjust when the bullet detonates to suit different situations, allowing a soldier to attack entrenched targets around corners and in buildings more effectively.

Check out the video below to hear an officer at the Aberdeen Test Center in Maryland lay down a scenario in which the XM-25 could be a real game changer.

I’m here at Benning right now, and I actually did some work with the future force warrior program or whatever they call it. We only worked and tested the computer program they’re developing, which was cool as hell, but I did hear some bad things about this weapon. Unless:
1.) things have dramatically changed since January when I last heard about it
or
2.) the guys I was talking to were misinformed

I doubt that this will see combat in the coming months.

Hasnt HK been pushing that thing for many, many years now?

Yes!!

Is this the evolution of the CAWS from the 1980’s?

I with the Army would let this thing fucking die already.

Give me more range time and training ammo.

The captured RPG-7s which Captain James M. Leatherwood, an outspoken young Ordnance officer, showed me in Vietnam were beautifully machined Czechoslovakian copies of the Russian weapon. Their projectiles were carried in moistureproof containers, and the weapons themselves were seldom damaged by water or high humidity. Captain Leatherwood, inventor of the Leatherwood adjustable ranging telescope sight used by snipers, had test fired RPG-7s more often than any other American in Vietnam. He had concluded that the RPG-7 was much better than our LAW, and boldly advocated Ordnance giving highest priority to copying that combat-proven Russian weapon.

Dr. William G. McMillan, Science Advisor to General Westmoreland, was among the well informed Americans in Vietnam who gave his General the facts on the RPG-7. Those facts led Westmoreland to advocate the expedited production of copies of it. Ordnance remained unmoved, neither copying the RPG-7 nor developing an equally effective or superior shoulder-fired rocket launcher.

In 1989 Dr. McMillan, still much concerned with what can be done to improve the Army’s combat capabilities, informed me that after General Westmoreland became Army Chief of Staff he continued to advocate copying the RPG-7. To no avail! “The powerlessness of the powerful” — strategist Herman Kahn’s apt description of the ineffectiveness of generals and appointed high officials who attempt to change established policies of entrenched bureaucracies. No one has succeeded in persuading Army Ordnance to “reverse engineer” the RPG-7, or the more recently produced RPG-16.

After World War II Army Ordnance did not develop and produce a bazooka-like, reloadable rocket launcher firing an improved armor-piercing shaped-charge warhead. Ground-to-ground, wire-guided missiles such as TOW and Dragon are not accurate when fired at ranges shorter than about 100 meters. Their guidance mechanisms need longer flight times to take over effectively than result when ranges are short. Short ranges are especially common in wooded areas and in night fighting. Besides, TOW and Dragon are much heavier than either the RPG-7 or the LAW. The Dragon issued in 1990 and in the Gulf War weighs 73 pounds. For footmobile jungle soldiers, such weights are very disadvantageous.

As proved in combat from Europe to China, our bazooka was one of the best weapons of its time for delivering a shaped charge large enough to penetrate the armor of early World War II tanks, or for breaching the reinforced concrete of most bunkers. Design weaknesses, such as those I noted when trying without success to teach Chinese soldiers to shoot bazookas accurately, could have been overcome — as was done by the Russians who invented and perfected the family of RPG rocket launchers. The bazooka’s rocket went off with a roar, blowing hot gasses and grains of unburned propellant into the firer’s face and hands. Wearing goggles prevented eye injuries, but to shoot a bazooka accurately a man had to discipline himself to keep holding his aim for what seemed seconds after he squeezed the trigger, sending the rocket on its noisy way. Because of having shot rifles since I was a small boy and having practiced shooting bazookas, I was able to impress my inept Chinese students, once by breaking into pieces a sandstone boulder approximately four feet in diameter and about a hundred yards away.

One of my unattained ambitions when serving with OSS in China was to ambush a Japanese train by first blowing up its engine with a bazooka. From all accounts I heard, when a bazooka’s shaped charge hit an engine’s boiler having a full head of steam, the resulting explosion was a most satisfying sight to an American such as I had become. Walking and living in the midst of thousands of suffering and dying victims of the Japanese war machine made me relish ways to destroy its soldiers and other assets, as seeing movies of its atrocities never had motivated me.

In future conflicts, will American and friendly footmobile fighters have lightweight shoulder-fired rocket weapons at least as accurate and effective as RPG-7s for immobilizing modern heavy tanks? Apparently today only Army Materiel Command (AMC) has the power to answer that question in the affirmative.

-Major Cresson Henry Kearny (1914-2003)

The band plays on.

Wow, hard to believe this thing is still alive after the XM8 died. Kinda like a modernized M79, ditch the M203s and MTOE one of these into every squad.

Cool. Now soldiers will have the ability to launch really, really small and ineffective grenades at the enemy, from a distance.

The shrapnel, if it hits, should really sting and piss off enemy insurgents/soldiers. We will keep their fellow insurgents busy at night picking metal splinters out of their shoulders and backs.

If they wanted a bazooka/rpg type weapon, what ever happened to the Shoulder Launched Mulipurpose Assault Weapon. From a former 0351 in a line company. David

Great info. I always thought the RPG never got the respect it deserved. Inspired by the German Panzerfaust of WWII. During Vietnam, I read that chain link fence barriers provided good protection to defensive positions.

Great read, amrakraut. Thanks for posting.

uh, the Mk153 has a completely different application than the XM25.
As it is, the SMAW has a very secure and happy home within the infantry.

The Colonels assigned to be the Program Manager - Small Arms are on their brigade command-equivalent tours – if they want to make brigadier they have to show they fielded a weapon to the line Army.

This thing is going to the battlefield. It is being advertised as a weapon to engage people we can’t see or positively identify. Positive target ID and clearance of fires is damn near insane to make sure we don’t make headlines on Al Jazeera showing indiscriminate mass civilian casualties.

The first time someone takes out a big target blind all the bad guys have to do is seed the place with dead non-combatants and we’ve got a worldwide strategic PR nightmare.

Today’s restrictions call for precision fires, and here they’re pushing for blind area coverage again – schizophrenia.

A little more info on the project"

Developed jointly by the German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch and the US company Alliant Techsystems (ATK Corporation), the XM-25 is a semi-automatic, shoulder-fired weapon with a five-round magazine and weighs in at around 14 pounds (6.3kg) – about the same weight as an M-16 with a 203 grenade launcher. The weapon’s XM116 integral fire system provides the weapon with its precision and is capable of controlling individually each of the 25mm rounds in real time. Based on a thermal optic, day-sight, laser range finder, compass and infrared light, the system can precisely measure the distance to the target and program each round to explode close to the mark via the wireless connection. Capable of hitting a point target at 500 meters and area targets at 700 meters with a range of munitions including HEAB, anti-personnel, two types of non-lethal munitions – blunt and agent dispersing airburst - plus armor piercing, and door breaching munitions, this is one very nasty piece of ordinance and a must have on any soldiers list.

In a nutshell, it operates with the soldier sighting the target and the advanced laser rangefinder transmitting range information to the chambered 25mm round. The soldier then essentially points and fires. After the round leaves the chamber and moves towards its target, the system precisely measures the distance traveled and detonates it at exactly the right moment to deliver maximum effectiveness. ATK says that the XM25 increases the warfighter’s probability of hit-to-kill performance by up to 500 percent over existing weapons and extends the effective range of the soldier’s individual weapon to more than 500 meters.

CNN Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh4uy5A-lI

I need one of those for home defense.

I doubt the design is mature enough (reliability, durability, accuracy, etc.) for fielding, and the 25 mm war heads are still small. Korea has plans to field in 2010 a 5.56 rifle + 20 mm air burst weapon (monster) like the original HK XM29 concept:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as98-e.htm

But the idea is good and probably is goint to stay, of course you need the brains to use it properly and with discrimination…

From a cost/effectivity standpoint probably the RPG7 (if you can find a quality one) is still king.

I dont know about happy, unless I was actually going to use that thing it was a huge pain.

I thought they were trying to replace the SMAW. Granted I’ve been out for almost 20 years but I try to read up on the 0351 every once and a while. And yes carrying the launcher, 2 rounds and a rifle was a pain not to mention butter bars didn’t know what to do with us.

Back on topic. I wonder how the 25mm projectile is powered? I think a man portable .50 caliber weapon that short would be a bear to handle. I’ve been on the other side of the tank ranges when 30mm guns fired and the ground shook. I can’t imagine holding a 25mm weapon with enough power to punch though a hardened wall of any depth. Would this be a 203 replacement that is direct fire? David

not very appealing to me. hahahahah
even in all black…