WoW, The AR Game Has Changed.. Is There Any Book That Covers Modern Day AR-15 Builds?

Greetings All,

I have been outta the game for a very, very long time…

I mean when I left Colt 6920 was considered the ultimate and ONLY 110% rifle built to mil-spec, Magpul CTR/MOE was the epitomy of stocks, Daniel Defense was barely at the DDM4v3 and that was HUGE!!

Fast Fwd to the last 2-3 years and all that stuff is ancient history now…

Is the Magpul CTR/MOE even relevant or even considered for use?

Rifle tech and tools have changed…

Is there any one book that reflects that? There are a crap ton of books out there, but they all seem specifically PRE-2010 focused… The modern tools didn’t exist and aren’t even mentioned in these books.

Is there a very much recommended book tht covers a modern day AR-15 build?

Lots of the reviews on the past top of the line books always seem to include this line, “this book doesn’t mention any of the new tools or techniques for modern rifle building by todays standards” or a variation of that line…

let me know?

oNe

p.s. for kicks and giggles, what replaced the CTR/MOE???

I still use MOE(Colt 6720) I also have 2 guns with free float set ups. It doesn’t matter what’s in style. Rambo can outshoot me with a muddy AK.

There’s really nothing gained, in my opinion, with the most current ARs. I don’t even consider an AR without a fixed FSB to be a “serious” use AR. (no offense to the LPVO gays)

I really liked the 10.5 New Zealand upper that Brownells sells. Pappabear got one, and it was refreshing to get back to a good old pic railed upper. If it was FSB, I’d buy 3 of them.

Yes, there is. I’m serious about this, get a Brownell’s AR15/M16 Catalog #10 or their big book and look through the first 100 pages or so.

Here is the link to the PDF big book: https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/bapid=675/ClientPage/brownells-catalog-71-pdfs

I’m serious, this gives you a pretty good idea of what is out there.

Here is some other stuff:

http://www.ar15builder.com/

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/learn/learndetail.aspx?lid=11004

http://criterionbarrels.com/accurizing-the-ar-15-video-series

Like you, I’ve been pretty disappointed in the selection of build books. A good overall user book IMO is Green Eyes Black Rifles.

Also, there are a couple of Armorer Courses available such as http://www.semperparatusarms.com/home/

There isn’t any printed hardcopy material that can keep up with the speed of recent changes in AR15 configurations/accessories, but holy cow does that Brownells catalog nearly have it all!

You basically missed quad rail vs slick rail, Keymod vs M-LOK, SBR vs pistol brace, short barrels are as accurate as long barrels, tapered vs government barrel profile, mid-length vs carbine-length gas system, adjustable gas blocks; the list goes on and on.

ARs haven’t changed all that much. Companies are just marketing the shit out of stuff to separate fanboys from their money. I’ve mostly used the same rifle since ‘08. But swapped rails in ‘15 to shave a little weight to offset going from a T1 to Vortex. It still performs fine without changing much out though the barrel is about toast.

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They are still around, but the MOE SL is the new rage.

and get yourself a copy of AR TM 9-1005-319-23&P (Nov 2008 is the latest I believe)

The book you seek is the internet. Like the changes in the AR, so has information technology. Print material is almost dead.

I became interested in AR’s around the 2010-11 timeframe, and stuck with it since. Sounds like I got in around the time you stepped back.

Long story short, it seems many and perhaps even most, gravitate toward free floated rails using mlok or keymod slots sans FSB nowadays. Despite that trend, most shooters still acknowledge the 6920 and other quality makers that produce 6920 type rifles (BCM standard Carbine with fsb, and even BCM standard mid length with fsb) as a sound, reliable, and sure selection. The 6920 is probably still considered by most to be the “standard.”

Stocks like the BCM gunfighter and magpul SL seem to be the most common new stocks. MOE still works too.

Trends probably change faster than printed material can keep up. I’d suggest checking the AR picture thread, build thread, and technical forums on m4c for ideas about building or buying a “modern” AR.

For all the AR builds I’ve done, my midlength with fixed FSB, A1 stock and fat handguards, standard LPK and FCG (though the FCG has been polished up a bit), A2 suppressor, and no optics other than a DD A1.5 rear sight continues to be my favorite.

I have a Noveske/BCM hybrid that I built with reliability first priority, flexibility second, and cost third that is fun and works great for competition and varmint culling, plus… many more, but that Plain Jane Midlength (at a quarter of the price) still reigns as my favorite rifle.

Sure, the greater range of options are good for the consumers within a market, but on a personal level fifteen new muzzle devices on the market every month doesn’t mean jack to me. Most of my magazines are Okay Industries with Magpul followers and Perma Slik on the inside, and they run just as well as Lancer, Tango Down, Troy, Magpul, better than ETS, and WAY better than ProMag or C-Products (or whatever they’re calling themselves now).

Don’t fall into the hype. Snobs would be willing to pay $150 for an artisnal sandwich with Spanish Red peanuts ground from Tamil-Nadu’s early-November harvest and a mix of berries hand-picked from the northeasternmost corner of Germany on bread made by a 107-year-old great great grandmother who once personally knew Woodrow Wilson who only bakes one loaf a week.

Just saying.

Hallelujah!! Praise Jesus! That statement, though short, simple and straight to the point, has a sense of Power and Authority when said out loud, almost like a command that God gave directly to Abraham or Moses.

There are a lot of people who are “backdating” their AR’s and going back to the FSB and pic rails.

I don’t know about them not being “serious”, however I also prefer the FSB.

NYH1.

Try and find a good AR15 Armorer Course. Some of them cover the tools, techniques, etc…

Amen.

Well, everything is subjective, until it’s not.

As a younger guy in my mid 20s, I came into the AR world at just a couple years after the AWB Sunset.

When I purchased my first AR, the market was post Sandy-Hook and prices were just starting to come back down.

I did a bit of research, found what I THOUGHT was the best of both worlds; I really had just made my first big mistake in the AR world.

I purchased a rifle “Blem” AA-15, a Piston Driven Adams Arms with a Pinned FSB. I had bought into the Piston hype, but within that new marketing ploy, a lot of the important stuff stuck out.
Proper staking, barrel indexing, chrome or nitride barrels, pinned FSB or Free Floated (or both if you find the right setup).

While many would call this a “huge mistake”, “waste of money”, etc. I have found it to be one of the best educational lessons made with a $600 dollar gun I purchased through Buds, on Layaway. I was a young dude, still working my way up the pay scales.

I learned what worked very well with that rifle, and what gave me concerns. To this day, it’s still running with multiple thousand put on it. Is it getting close to where I worry about something breaking? Yeah, but when it does, I will get to “learn” more.

Since than, I have upgraded to something better as my “go-to” but, it’s still a very fun, reliable, rifle that brought me into the AR-World.

It’s been an ever evolving industry in the last 10-15 years, if not even longer.

It’s very easy to be a “Snob” and buy into the $300 KAC Sandcutters with the $900 Triple Taps, or the $300 dollar rails or etc. I would argue it’s even easier for those who are in the “Mid Market” not quite high, and not quite Andersons, to be the most gullible and tend to be very “justified” in their purchase (This is where I fell… Most Often. Nowadays, I am much more educated; I have plenty to keep me busy in the mean time while I let the savings build for something “top tier”). They buy into the hype of: “The MOEs are just plastic, so I bought a $50-$80 Free Floated rail instead.”

Snobbery occurs in all sorts of flavours and colours; in many ways, we all do it. The cheap buyers will criticize another for buying into the “name” or using it as a “status symbol”. How is it worded here, a “Company Shill”?. Or you could be looked down upon for going mid level, even though many have had great success with mid-cost products. And, while I won’t say they don’t have their fair share, the dudes running High cost equipment, tend to be mostly humble.

TL;DR: While all groups have their members of humility and humbleness, those that spend the money tend to understand what is worth it in their rifle, and what is not. They are also more likely to provide some of the most accurate advice, as with most spendy hobbies, or habits, comes utilization. There are generally two type of people who get to the “top-tier” rifles: Those who have bought into, learned, and utilized less-than equipment and can appreciate the differences when they do finally make that investment. Or, those who started that way, whether on Opportunity, Opine, or Education, and stayed there.

Neither are “wrong” just two paths to the same right. I am humbly embarrassed to admit I am on Path One. More by opportunity that opine or education at this point.

To OP’s main concern: Stickman’s comment below truly would be one of the best places to start if you’re interested in the newer/trendier stuff. Overall, it hasn’t changed that much fundamentally.

Better than a book, check out the pic thread tacked here. It should showcase the most recent items and trends, and you can ask questions direct.

I think it’s as often monkey see monkey do rather than people experiencing actual limitations in their equipment. I think you’ll see it yourself in classified sections when you see relatively new guns being sold and traded. I know a guy that does Cerakote that is full of stories about changing camo and color schemes on unfired rifles or because new rails came out.

We have a consumer culture rather than an experience culture.

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While that may be true in the general (gun buying)
public, I like to think that’s less true here on M4C.

This is mostly opinion on my part, but one thing I perceived as having changed in the AR market is that while there are still good ARs and crappy ARs, the crappy ARs aren’t as crappy as they were ten years or so ago. While these lower tier manufacturers aren’t following the TDP they seem to at least be incorporating more of it into their products then they used to be. While that doesn’t make their guns “duty grade” or suitable for hard use, it does mean that more of the general AR-buying public are at least getting serviceable guns that will probably perform well enough on the range or the occasional self defense situation and probably won’t see the round counts needed for many of their shortcomings to manifest.
That being said, stick with the quality stuff from good manufacturers whenever possible. Sometimes you have to make concessions if, for instance, you like to build Retro ARs like I do.
For example, I get a lot of my parts from BCM, but when I built an A1 rifle clone I had to go “off the reservation” a bit because BCM simply didn’t offer a barrel in the profile I needed. I did however use one of their BCGs and their gas tube and I believe their receiver extension, buffer and spring in the build because I wanted as many quality parts in it as was feasible given the constraints of what I was building.

My AR with an LPVO also has a fixed FSB…

wow, great info all, learned a lot just on this post alone…

Basically it seems like the more things change, the more they stay the same…

so with that in mind here is where i’m at…

  1. Going to buy this AR BUILD Book, because I want a hard copy just to always have something on hand, it has decent reviews, and one of the few that a look inside option and I like what I see… DONE!

  2. Whats with the fixation on FSB? I think I remember why from my past foray into the world of AR-15 but just in case, someone break it down for me…

  3. Back before I left there was some kind of chart floating around, I believe it was specific to this site, it basically had all the main rifles out at the time and which manufacturers was closest to MIL-SPEC and which one’s weren’t, I believe at the time the Colt 6920 was the only one that met that list 110%. Is that still the case? What ever happened to that list?

  4. Is Mid Length v/s Carbine length even a thing anymore? WHO won?

  5. ^^ what other debates like that are out there, any I missed, or what are the new ones?

  6. In 2018 is there any “common” staples that most agree on for an AR-15 build? ala FSB is the way to go?

** ^^ I know, I know, i just have to research all this myself to get back up to speed, but yall had some good posts on here in relation to my OP so figured I’d throw these immediate questions out there and see where all this went…

FYI: From my previous hey-day, before I left the AR-15 world. All thats left is my 1st 2 original AR purchases… a brand new SEALED in the box Colt 6920, and a Daniel Defense DDM4v3.

Current Hey-Day Plans: received my stamps for gang of suppressors and several SBR’s last year so NEED to build those out… plan is for a 5.56 SBR and a .300BLK out SBR, both running Omega’s.

^^ I somehow have this nasty habit or shall I say “bad” luck of getting in on the tail end of things… aka, bought those original AR’s at Sunset of AWB, and then bought all the suppressors and SBR stamps a week before 41F.

However after each of those junctures LIFE took over, got a real career making real $$$, bought a house and AR’s then dropped off of the world. 1 Month before 41F hit, I heard about it, and scrambled to put a trust together and bought 6 suppressors, and 5 SBR’s, aka $10,000, but then LIFE took over, bought a house, did the wife and marriage thing, then 3 kiddo’s later…

Anyways, I NOW once again have the time to get back into this AR hobby… UNFORTUNATELY It seems like I have to start from scratch…

NOT jus build a modern AR-15 but also have them be SBR’s.

I think what I will do is build 1 "normal AR-15 to get a handle on things, and then from there build the 2 SBR’s.

oNe

P.S. right after I purchased the 6920 there was some noise about certain models of them being worth more, something about COLT changing a proprietary bolt for a industry standard one thus potentially making the pre-change 6920’s worth more? Does that ring a bell to anyone? I believe that may be why in addition to time constraints why i NEVER even opened up the box for my 6920. As maybe I was thinking its a potential heirloom I would be able to pass on to my family?