As title states - would you trust your life to a Wylde chambered AR, of course built with quality parts from reputable dealers? Ammo could be either 5.56Nato or .223 at anytime, just depends what would be in the mag when things beyond my control could happen.
2nd - at what point would a Wylde chamber benefit accuracy, or how accurate does one need to be before the chamber becomes an issue? Are we talking a 1MOA shooter, 1/2 MOA, 1/4MOA?
Thanks in advance,
Bob
Yes, I would trust my life to a quality AR with a 223 Wylde chamber that is cut correctly. The most important difference between an Wylde chamber, the 5.56 chamber and a 223 SAAMI chamber is the leade. The 5.56 chamber has a longer leade so 5.56 ammo can be loaded to higher velocities without exceeding safe pressures. The Wylde chamber tweaks the leade a bit to help the bullet enter the rifling a bit straighter.
The Wylde chamber only helps precision if the barrel is of good quality and quality ammo is used. If you’re just gonna use blaster ammo, the Wylde chamber is just another chamber.
1st) Sure. If the gun runs, then it runs.
2nd) I’m not a good enough shooter for it to matter. You’re probably not either, stop worrying so much about minutiae and go shoot.
Ammo could be anything from Federal/IMI/CBC m193/m855 to different brands of match 223 in appropriate weight for the barrel twist. Really don’t see me buying any non-brass cased ammo and there may be personal reloads in there in the future. Barrel would be something along the lines of Faxon or Ballistic Advantage (which I think are decent in the quality dept) but I do not have the $$ for the Krieger/Criterion type of stuff. I know everything is a compromise but would like to take it out to 300yds or so for fun, but also be a shtf if necessary rifle. I never want to build a tool that is only for 1 purpose but every tool I build could also serve as a shtf tool even if it was not its intended use.
OCD is a bitch…
Hits at 300Y with a standard barrel and M193/M855 isn’t necessarily rare or impossible. If you’re trying to shoot for groups at that range then that’s a different conversation. I guess what I’m saying is that barring you buying a complete junk gun and ammo, the system is probably more capable than you are. See my 2nd comment above.
I got your 2nd comment and agree. @ 300yds, I would be using something w/ a good bullet and not M193/855 stuff, but something of a ‘match’ type ammo w/ a 69-77grn bullet.
Is this some kind of trick question?
I wouldn’t trust my life to any gun, no matter what its specs are until taking it out running a couple hundred rounds through it, and doing a good visual and cleaning afterwards.
I think you’d be surprised how well M193 can group at 300M. Not gonna win the internet award for accuracy but is definitely respectable.
My recce has a wylde chamber, and it’s a working gun shooting sub-MOA for quite a distance using high-end 5.56 loads. As others note, it’s about manufacturing it all properly.
Are there any professional users trusting their lives to Wylde-chambered ARs? (Honest question)
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It wouldn’t be my first pick! As a proven shooter for a backup to my main AR; yeah, but defidently wouldn’t be my go to rifle in the event I fear for my life.
For those of you who wouldn’t, elaborate on the basis for your responses. Especially helpful will be noting your first-hand (or for instructors, directly supervised) experience with wylde chambers, barrel and ammunition manufacturers used, and related performance data?
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Yes I would if the rifle was built to proper specs with good components.
You don’t need a wylde chamber to shoot submoa, I have a 4150 18’’ nitrided barrel that shoots submoa with handloads.
ETA: It’s a Ballistic Advantage barrel, I am not claiming all of their barrels are great but my sample of 1 has been awesome so far.
Not being scientific in anyway, just throwing out some opinions here.
To better answer that, I honestly think the biggest factor will be ammo selection. If you want to start shooting Submoa consistently, you are going to probably want to be handloading ( if you aren’t already ), then on top of that there will be a ton of other factors.
One can’t just say that all Wylde barrels/chambers are more inherently accurate than xyz because one doesn’t know how the barrel was made, the condition of the tooling that made the barrel, the tolerances the manufacture determines to be sufficient, etc. I wouldn’t just proclaim that a Wylde chamber is better in than either a 223 or 5.56 chamber, they are just different for different purposes. Where you will see the difference is in well established manufactures vs PSA cheapo manufactures, and if you don’t handload or shoot match ammo it wont even matter. If you plan on shooting 5.56 spec ammo, then you would surely want a 5.56 or wylde chamber, however many competition shooters still use 223 chambers ( they just don’t blast m193 and m855 out of those guns ).
Ammo could be anything from Federal/IMI/CBC m193/m855 to different brands of match 223 in appropriate weight for the barrel twist
You aren’t going to be shooting sub moa with m193 or m855. I always cringe when I hear guys claim to shoot submoa with m855, because to me it raises a huge BS flag.
People over emphasize barrel twist and the impact it has on accuracy. My pet load is 50gr nosler ballistic tips with 24gr of H335, I shoot that load out of 1/7 twist barrels, and it consistently shoots submoa for me. I also have a 65gr bullet pet load that only shoots ~2moa, but those are Bonded soft points and are for a different purpose than paper punching.
Bullet construction, powder burn rates, brass, tolerances, the shooter, and many other factors will be more apparant than a wylde chamber or your twist rate. Unless you are shooting match ammo or hand loads well past 300 yards, I would say that a standard Colt 6920 barrel or something similar will serve you just fine. I am not saying a wylde chamber is not good, or not possibly more accurate than other 5.56 chambers, however there are a huge number of factors. I wouldn’t expect a PSA cheapo wylde chambered barrel to be inherently more accurate than say a Colt barrel, in fact I would prefer a Colt barrel as I would know it was made to specific tolerances. If you are buying a wylde barrel, and really want good accuracy, buy from a reputable dealer, and don’t skimp on cost would be my advice.
Hopefully some of that helps your quest.
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I also agree with this, especially the bold part.
I have a 10’’ steel plate I set at 300 yards, and I ring the hell out of it with m193, 1/7 pencil barrel, and an Aimpoint pro.
The Wylde chamber isn’t exactly some new, unproven chamber either. Been around for a long time.
I don’t get the whole “Trust your life to X” thing. I worked at a psych hospital and if we are talking guns, it has been the only time I have ever seen a LEO without a gun, likely they didn’t even have a concealed gun. They had to trust their bare hands and whatever tools I had (which were few). In my small town, that was probably the MOST likely place a person could be in some kind of danger constantly. I went in small rooms with sometimes very violent people with nothing but a radio and scrubs. Sometimes things were not fun.
Now, I think what you mean is something like, is a Wylde chamber a dumb idea. Well, like those deputies and their department, its up to you to decide what will work for you. I am not your boss, and I am not an AR or gunfighting expert, but I would learn what exactly is a wydle chamber if that was my interest. AFAIK a wylde chamber is reamed differently than a standard 223 to accept 5.56 ammo and its pressures. Knowing what I know about AR’s, companies make both and there’s a pretty standard recommendation here for what is good.
Honestly, I’d worry less about the chamber though, and more about myself, my training and my experience. And if at all possible, who I can rely on when things go bad. Because if your shit coworker is in the nurse’s station and its just the two of you that night, the 250 lb bipolar gorilla is much scarier than nights with your dependable coworkers. Its also nice to have The Law around, even when they aren’t armed. But if you ever think you are not prepared for a situation because you are lacking some training/skill/mentality, those are the things to change FIRST way before gear ever comes to mind. I would rather have my body, my training, my experience and no radio, no riot shield, and no restraint boards than the inverse.
Piston AR’s in general don’t get a lot of respect around these parts but one that does is the PWS. All of the mod1’s were wylde, not sure about mod2.
Apparently many here don’t know that which leaves me scratching my head at some of the responses.
Kind of related question - it seems that usually when I see a very questionable brand, they use the Wylde chambering. Anyone else notice this?
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