First off, I just wanted to say that this is my first post on these forums. For some unknown reason, I enjoy posting on forums, and I’m a member to quite a few. I just bought my first AR-15, which is my first rifle in general, so I’m sure ill be on here a lot more as I modify it over time.
That being said, Ill go ahead with my first question.
Has anyone used Wolf ammunition? .223 is so friggin expensive ($10+ for a box of 20 rounds? :eek: I can put that down range in less than 3 minutes) so Im looking for a decent round that wont break my bank, that I can possibly buy in bulk (maybe 200 rounds at a time). Wolf ammo came up, which ive heard of before, but never had any interest in buying it, because I always just bought 100 rounds of Winchester White Box for my .40 cal and it wasnt too bad. My supervisor at work uses it, and he says its very dirty, and not that accurate at all (heard that before). Just wondering, whats everyones take on it? Do you recommend it for punching holes in paper? I heard that they put some kind of coating over their rounds that eventually over time ruin the barrel of the weapon. Is this true? I dont want to take a chance of doing any damage to my AR, so if thats true at all, then I wont touch it. What about FTF’s or jamming? Are either of these an issue with Wolf Ammo? Im not worried about having to clean my weapon more often with Wolf Ammo, because I clean my guns within 3 days after shooting them anyways (Ill feel bad if I dont) but as long as half the box doesnt FTF, and the rounds dont jam every other round, and it wont damage my weapon, Its fine with me.
Also, where is a good place to order Ammunition in bulk online, whether it be Wolf or not? www.gulfcoastammunition.com advertises .223 55gr Wolf for $63.00/500 rounds in Shotgun News, but their website is very much under construction, and I dont know how much I would trust that anyway
Thanks for the info. I found a good deal on Ultramax at Cabellas. I can get a box of 50 FMJ 55gr for $16.99, or a box of 50 JHP, 52gr for $18.99. Anyone ever dealt with them? They seem to be a lot better quality than Wolf ammo, and it looks much cleaner, yet they only average maybe $2.50 more for a box of 20 than Wolf. I was thinking about trying some out. Anyone see a problem with this manufacturer, other than the fact that it’s all reloads? Read the reviews they have at the link below, and all 34 of them said nothing but good things, and most people gave it 5 out of 5 stars, with a couple 4 out of 5 star ratings.
I shoot a lot of wolf, ammo prices being what they are. I have shot close the 4k rounds so far through a colt 6920 and a SDI mid-length/colt lower hybrid, both 1/7 twist. Zero malfunctions. Surprisingly good accuracy using EOTech sights with the 55 grain Military classic and 62 grain poly ammo.
Or…you could reload, and pay $.17 per each round. $170.00 per thousand, and that includes Hazmat fees, but you need to combine primers and powder together. It’s also a great way to relieve stress. BTW this price is based on shooting a processed round of Mil brass 6 times. $.092 amortized over 6 loadings.
…agreed…
By far the least cost per round…Sometimes you just can’t use them though…I trust mine…
But I wouldn’t trust many others…
Black Hills is one of them I do trust, YMMV…
I just shot another 300 rounds of Wolf through my 6920 today. Five years ago I wouldn’t touch it, this past year I find myself shooting more and more of it for training.
I trust mine completely since I went to a Dillon Progressive press 17 years ago. I’ve had both the 450 and 550. Not one bad round in over 100,000 reloads including .45 ACP. .308, 9mm and of course our beloved 5.56mm.
As far as over the counter reloads go, I also trust Black Hills 100%. IF you could trust the brass they get from Uncle Sam not to have been in a SAW (too much stress on the brass), I wouldn’t hesitate to use them for SHTF. I received some once fired processed brass from a vendor that definitely was used in over size chambered weapons (like a SAW), and have had a few (1%) case separations on the first reload, and my chamber/ bolt is in spec.
FWIW…www.scharch .com is the best place I have found for consistent quality, once fired, processed brass. It’s going for $77.00/ 1,000 delivered. The only issue is that like all components, it’s gone up about 50% in the last year or so. But…I do trust their quality.
It is dirty, and appears to have some partially or totally unburnt powder residue. It actually caused my HK 416 upper to fowl in the gas piston chamber, resulting in malfunctions.
I received some once fired processed brass from a vendor that definitely was used in over size chambered weapons (like a SAW), and have had a few (1%) case separations on the first reload, and my chamber/ bolt is in spec.
…I saw that other thread…sucks but it’s still cheap…at least you didn’t get any damage…
First off: “Wolf Ammunition” covers about 5 or 10 different makers of ammo in dozens of calibers. Some is good, some not so good.
For example:
“Wolf” .22 LR ?? - it is some of the highest quality and most sought after 22 made right now. Prices are way up as a result.
“Wolf” 12 gauge slugs ?? They are made in Germany by Scheonbeck and of excellent quality (the Germans make many high quality products.)
On the other hand, this site is calle M4Carbine.net. You are likely asking about Wolf .223 ammunition. The latest production Wolf 223 is quite reliable in AR type rifles (unlike the earlier imported Wolf 223).
The consistency is not as good as most US made 223, and if you test accuracy with a hunting scope at 100 yards, you might be disappointed. Sniping ammo, this is not.
However, everyone has noticed the prevelence of Dot sights on ARs these days, and an emphasis on usable accuracy at “carbine” distances; AR courses often limit the range in class to 100 yards or less. Wolf is adequate under these circumstances. It does small bad. It is dirty and you should expect to clean the gun often.
I use it in my 5.56 cal AK variants (S-AM5R and SAR-3) as well as my AR carbines.
I shoot the recent Wolf in 1k+ 2day and 3 day classes as well as matches and practice. Pretty much whenever I can and avoid dipping into the shiny stuff in reserve. Any issues I’ve had with the import steel case ammunition has been with Wolf/Silver Bear lacquered cases and/or SP rounds.
Even then, the quality of training was significantly improved over the other option…which was to not shoot and just make ‘Bang’ noises verbally.
eta - Nice shot of the river and bean elevator Sag79
Well I do like getting kicked in the junk so I know its still there:p I prefer to shoot brass cased ammo to avoid any possible wear problems. I will however be putting together a upper out of old parts to shoot steel cased ammo through to save a few bucks.
