pushed like mad from the same folks of
if we just had common sense gun laws !
do it for the kids ! then pushes abortion !
nobody needs 30 round clips (just repeating what they call em)
nobody needs a weapon of war to shoot a deer
the 2nd is about hunting
the 2nd only applied to a musket not a modern gun of war
Shall I post all the links, or will this suffice?
Interesting you say this as I get that often, but folks won’t look outside their comfort zone & you get ridiculed for sharing 411 from a credited Dr. / findings as simply being kooks cuz they don’t support the jab…same goes with anything you share that isn’t supported by a 3 letter news agency. I could post news & SM stories daily of adverse reactions & all sorts of other negatives about the jabs, but they will get dismissed by the pro vaccers due to the source. There was lady last week from a small town of 600 who died right after the 15min waiting period & lotsa folks from the town changed they minds on receiving it.
Anyway, Here’s a Good example how the science ‘experts’ won’t venture outside their comfort zone due to their superior thinking skills:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1399447996362903555
When something is free, you are the product.
Simple, I do not trust the lying turds pushing it and I am no guinea pig.
I got the vaccine but am extremely uncomfortable with the push to vaccinate minor children.
Andy
I have zero interest in getting a vaccine that was rushed to market based on political infighting, and not true science. Also, if you think you already have had covid, then you should not need it. None of the stats stack up to me, too many unknown variables and long term results could be nasty. No gracias amigos.
Pappabear out on this one.
P.S. I sale medical devices and have to get every other vaccine under the sun. I am pro vaccine, ones tried and true though.
PB
I haven’t got it because i’m not old, in good shape, pretty sure the covs ran through my house in march 2020. Won’t be letting my children get that poke either. No issues with anyone who felt / feels they want to get it. Only ask for the same consideration in return.
My place of employment has suggested they may make getting the vax mandatory, I respectfully shared the above statement with my boss after that particular meeting.
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I won’t be getting it, for a lot of reasons.
I’m fine with people wanting to get it, just stop pushing it so hard on everyone else who doesn’t want it, don’t even think about making it mandatory and stop shaming people who don’t want it.
Pretty simple stuff.
Selective immune pressure and immune escape as a result of large-scale human intervention in the pandemic
Any intervention in the pandemic that directly (e.g., through mass immunization campaigns) or indirectly (i.e., through infection prevention measures) exerts significant pressure on viral infectiousness (and hence, exerts selective pressure on the spike [S] protein) will enable the virus to escape whenever it gets exposed to S-specific Abs that are suboptimal, either in concentration or affinity. This will inevitably allow the virus to rapidly unfold more infectious, immune escape variants. Mass vaccination campaigns conducted after a prolonged period of infection prevention measures will dramatically increase pressure on viral infectiousness because of broad selective immune pressure on S protein (due to S-specific Abs). Such additional immune selection pressure, especially when exerted during the second wave of a CoV pandemic, is likely to precipitate and amplify viral immune escape. It is reasonable to assume that the cumulative selective pressure on viral infectiousness may cause the second and third wave of the pandemic to dramatically increase and to merge into an even much bigger wave of disease and death that is ultimately going to affect all layers of the population (possibly, with the exception of small children).
Current mass vaccination campaigns comply with the above-mentioned conditions for dramatic enhancement of S-selective immune escape. When conducted in the midst of a pandemic, mass vaccination campaigns (using the current Covid-19 vaccines) exert an enormous amount of pressure on circulating virus strains.
However, as the S protein comprised within current vaccines does not properly match the S protein of the ‘pre-selected’, highly infectious variants and as the latter have now become dominant, use of these vaccines in mass vaccination campaigns will inevitably accelerate the emergence of even more infectious immune escape variants. This is because the number of vaccine recipients who are in the process of seroconverting while already being exposed to the virus will dramatically increase (3). This leads to viral infection in the presence of a suboptimal immune response. Viral (re-)infection in the presence of suboptimal/ immature immune responses may also occur in vaccine recipients who are waiting for their second dose of a 2-shot vaccine or whose vaccinal Abs do not fully recognize the S ‘edition’ of the Covid-19 variants. Vaccination of subjects who are seropositive as a result of natural Covid-19 disease may have substantially prolonged S-specific Ab titers. These subjects may, therefore, serve as a reservoir for sustained immune escape. The more the virus’ S protein becomes immune pressurized, the more it will select escape mutations that converge towards the receptor- binding domain (RBD) of the S protein (as those are obviously more effective in escaping vaccine-induced Abs). This will inevitably lead to complete resistance of Covid-19 variants to any of the current vaccines and, therefore, further increase viral infectiousness.
Along the same lines of reasoning, it is not unthinkable that Covid-19 will, once again, cross species barriers. One can definitely not rule out that with growing immune-mediated selection of virus variants, Covid-19 is ultimately going to be able to jump to other animal species, especially industrial livestock (e.g., intensive pig and poultry farms with high stocking density) as i) these species are already known to host several different Coronaviruses and ii) variability/ mutations in the very spike protein, and particularly in the RBD, are known to be responsible for shifts in host tropism/ susceptibility. Similar to the situation with influenza virus, these animal species could then constitute a reservoir for SARS-COVID-2 virus. Depending on the prevalence of circulating animal CoVs in those farms (and hence, the level of trained immunity), those animals could now serve as asymptomatic carriers, thereby constituting a serious threat to humans.
Mass vaccination sidelines variant-nonspecific immunity in young and healthy individuals
S-specific, high affinity Abs induced by any of the current vaccines will outcompete natural, broadly protective natural sIgM antibodies as the latter only bind with low affinity to the spike protein of Covid-19. Even though the affinity of S-specific antibodies induced by these vaccines may no longer suffice to prevent S-mediated binding of Covid-19 variants to the RBD of CoV, they may still be able to hamper binding of sIgM. This is because natural sIgM Abs have low affinity for S protein (despite their high avidity for the virus surface). The ensuing suppression of the innate immune response will particularly affect natural resistance of younger age groups which - thanks to a well-trained innate immune system - resisted Covid-19 disease during the first wave. During the natural course of a pandemic, suppression of the innate immune system (and hence, potentially enhanced susceptibility to disease) in previously asymptomatically infected people (primarily the younger age groups) is only short-lived as they only experience a momentary increase in S-specific Abs after infection. Their vaccination, however, will lead to a long-lived suppression of their innate immune system while offering only limited or no protection against disease caused by highly infectious variants. It is, therefore, reasonable to assume that vaccination of young and healthy people will inevitably lead to long-lived suppression of their variant-nonspecific, innate immune defense at the mucosal portal of entry without offering a protective adaptive immune response. These age groups may, therefore, be facing a prolonged increase of susceptibility to symptomatic infection and shedding, especially when exposed to more infectious variants.
As S-specific immune responses have immunological memory, the imprinted immunological ‘program’ of S-specific Ab generation and hence, innate immune suppression, will be recalled at every upcoming encounter with Covid-19 strains, or even with CoV strains at large (a phenomenon known as ‘antigenic sin (4)’). This is at risk of inducing a persistent state of enhanced susceptibility to CoV-associated disease in vaccine recipients.
But mass vaccination campaigns will also have severe consequences for those who got vaccinated first (mostly the elderly, people with underlying disease or those who are otherwise immune compromised). In the highly likely event that mass vaccination will soon result in viral resistance to the vaccines, these people will have no arm of their immunity left to rely upon. In contrast to the infectious circulating virus, current vaccines do either not contain any critical killer cell motif or fail to activate dedicated killer cells. It goes, therefore, without saying that, vaccine-induced immune responses will inevitably result in a dramatic enhancement of morbidity and mortality rates in all of the vaccinated population when exposed to highly infectious Covid-19 variants.
Because we’ve been lied to, intentionally miss lead, and just flat bullshitted from the start. The doctors and the science specially that lying ****ing midget Fauci has been bought and paid for.
I clicked on the link. This is what the article actually launched with.
Introduction: Updated: May 13
So far, nobody has provided any kind of scientific evidence or rationale that massive human intervention (i.e., global implementation of infection prevention measures and mass vaccination) in the Covid-19 pandemic will lead to a decrease in mortality and morbidity rates in the human population.
As far as overall death rates in the population, if the provisional data on deaths in the US during 2020 prove to be accurate, the number of total deaths will be a stunning 15% increase over 2019, which would be the greatest percentage leap since 1918. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201223/covid-makes-2020-deadliest-year-in-u-s-history
Not only did the vaccine trials provide evidence of reduced Covid-related deaths, but now that about half of the adult population in the US have been vaccinated, Covid-related deaths are reportedly near entirely among the unvaccinated population. For the first two weeks in May, there were reportedly 8k Covid-related deaths. 300 deaths were reportedly among those who had been fully vaccinated. That’s under 4%.
To even remotely suggest that reducing Covid-related deaths won’t have an impact on overall mortality rates seems to me more in the realm of propaganda than sober analysis of evidence.
The article then goes on to ask the below question.
How can we even consider intervening into a natural pandemic without any basic understanding of the evolutionary–shaped interplay between the virus and the population’s immune status?
That’s the equivalent of saying do nothing, let a pandemic play out naturally. If you’re among the survivors, then you can reflect. Well… if fear of intervening in ‘nature’ is your thing then that might be a good argument, but most people don’t live their lives this way. They’ll still take an antibiotic for bacterial pneumonia even though we’ve been lectured for decades of a super bacteria killing us all due to using antibiotics.
This is a great point…also of note, if you have kids with severe allergies who are at risk of anaphylactic shock be warned as this could be very dangerous for them.
Everyone should read THC’s post above. It contains a lot of good information that is being censored by the MSM and the leftist goons at google.
As much as the leftist media, politicians, celebs, and all other pro-vacciners push their agendas…act superior, think the issue is 100% solved by getting vaccines, think we that dont/wont get the shots are rubes…the facts are it ISNT 100% solved, there are about as many scientific voices against it as for it, and you people who’ve had the shots have NO idea going forward what long term effects will be. NONE. “Oh I had a sore arm for a day…” as if THATS all. You are an experiment. Guinea pig. You HOPE that sore arm is all youll experiance. As far as I know…there isnt a woman yet whose went thru a full 9 month pregnancy after being vaccinated, because the shots havent been out that long. Youve NO IDEA how its going to affect the unborn-short or long term. I love the propaganda, too, comparing it to other far, far more vetted & researched vaccines that ARE 100% proven. Yeah…its the same as those…right. :rolleyes:
It also very telling to me how hard the leftys push this. The same ones wrong on EVERYTHING. The “itll take two weeks” crowd. The “get a shot and you wont have to wear a mask” crowd. But, you STILL do. The “one mask aint enough…you need two OR THREE” crowd. The crowd, that every month this has been around changes its tune about what is & isnt effective. The “its racist to say it came from China” crowd…who now are eating their words. Yeah…Im gonna listen to you idiots.
NO-IM NOT. SCREW ALL OF YOU. I wont get. My job wont make me, the government cant make me. YOU be sheep…sorry…guinea pigs. As long as those vaccines contain the demonic shit they do…itll NEVER be put into my body.
Most of you will NEVER admit that if/when side effects occur from this brew, it was from the shots. Ive got news for all of you, youve not added one second to your life. Nor have I added or subtracted one second. You will die the way it was written before God put water on this rock. Before the rock was even made. But, you can act superior now…AND go to all the ballgames that only allow “the chosen” in.
I just google COVID-19 Trend. The first graph that pops up I filter to “All States”. I then look at the miracle of the incredible spikes leading up to the election, the drop, then the other spike leading up to the inauguration, then the massive drop.
I also look at the fact that I work in hospitals at the national level, the ICU’s have always been at 90+%, I haven’t seen an increase in patient census anywhere, and I’ve been traveling across the country for work and pleasure the entire time with zero issue.
It’s a damn joke.
Our census went up last year, was steady with COVID for maybe about 6 months +/- but started trickling off to a “normal” capacity. Our ICUs were slammed with COVID for a while.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I ain’t getting the vax. I have no real “fear” of this vax. It does seem to be slightly more dangerous than an average vaccine, but we’re talking really tiny percentages. The more concerning issue for me would be possible long term effects if any but that would be pure speculation. As a general rule I’m good with vaccines, I certainly believe they do great good for mankind. As with anything, we need to continuously analyze for unintended consequences, but they save lives.
All that said, I ain’t gonna get stung for this. I don’t give a flying F*** if I catch covid. At the start of the covid panic, I caught what they tell me was H1N1 Spanish/swine flu. It went from zero to pneumonia within like 24 hours. About the sickest I’ve ever been. Never thought I was gonna die. I was on O2 for a while, but I fought against letting them hospitalize me. I just got some rental O2 equipment til I got over it.
I know a few folks who knowingly (as opposed to asymptomatic) got sick. Most were NBD. Including a lady in her 90s. One dude got sick as F. Vent, med induced coma,… recovered. But to hear him tell it the early treatment regimen was flawed and actually contributed to making things worse. Unintentionally of course.
Meh, I ain’t gettin the Vax simply because I’m a contrary SOB. Shithizpantz and the rest of the lefty trash say I gotta get it. That’s reason enough for me not to. F em. I’m gonna play the childish, stubborn MFer just cause I feel like it. Not cause I’m afraid of anything. 
I got the J&J whether good or bad. What’s done is done. My question is why is it the black sheep of the three. The gov and media are still pushing the Phizer and Moderna hard. I joke and tell everybody it’s the one without the nanomachines because they push the other two so hard.
You’re a sample size of one and it’s been determined that the PCR values were laughably low. I work all across the country. COVID is a thing, and it does kill people, but I would be curious regarding the BMI and ages of those patients.
Best friend had a stem cell transplant in November and caught COVID in April. Doctor gave him zero medications and told him to go home. He’s alive and well.
Indeed a sample size of one. Just a counter to the it-was-overblown argument. Our hospital is also skewed because we get transfers, we do not transfer out. We get a preponderance of weird stuff.
I concur that our averages are/were the same as others: older, comorbidities, and probably more overweight than under. Of course it also gets skewed by the 30 year old triathlete but those are definitely outliers.