I have looked at the Colt civilian catalog for years now and I don’t understand why they won’t make a civilian version of the M-16 rifle? I know some say there is no market for it, but I would put my paycheck on it that it would sell like hot cakes. Look at the few RO945 uppers that have somehow found itself to the secondary market, they sold for the same price as a complete rifle.
The specs of this upper I am referring to are: 20" flattop government profile barrel 1:7 twist chrome lines with bayonet lug.
I would think people would jump at the opportunity to own a replica of what our military is using.
FN has the current contract for the M-16 rifle. (as far as I know)
Although this does not mean Colt couldn’t make a rifle, they know that right now the market tends to lean toward modular setups, carbines, and SBR’s. This doesn’t mean you can’t get a hold of a Colt AR-15 rifle, I’ve seen them myself floating around here and there.
To be honest, I would like a full FN M16 for collector’s sake, but then again, a BCM 20" would be just as good as far as performance.
side note: I’ll also put forward I have seen 20" AR-15’s coming back in style little by little so it could just be a matter of time.
One day they might make it. If they wait too long everyone who wants a 20" rifle is going to have a BCM by then. If they hurry up they’d probably have thousands backordered in a month or two. Between shooters who want a COLT 20" M16A4 replica to go shoot alot, and collectors who want a COLT 20" M16A4 just to own… many would be pre-ordered and sold immediately.
I would be one of the first. As mentioned above, a FN release would be perfect as that was the last rifle I was issued but a Colt offering would be perfect as well while helping me keep the safe a Pony only zone.
I’ve been in and out of a few armories on a couple of different bases as of late and I can confirm that all the recent rifles I’ve seen are indeed FN’s. I went trying to build a m16a4 clone and ended up using a BCM upper, colt lpk from G&R, colt stock kit, and a lower made in IN (where I’m from). I’ve only had a few rounds through it but the BCM reputation proceeds its self. If you’re trying to build a clone I would go that route, cuz I don’t really see colt releasing that anytime soon…
I know that FN makes the 20" which are very very cool (and I haven’t ruled trying to obtain a brand new FN barrel only from Palmetto State Armory), but the Colt Military website says they are making M16A4’s with the 20" barrel.
Just swap the lower for that of a 6720 (minus the “Lightweight…Carbine” markings) and they’d have my credit card info before the ink on the press release was dry.
Organize a buy large enough and Colt will make almost whatever you want. I’m not meaning for this to be facetious either. I don’t know if this is something Grant would be interested in undertaking but I don’t think it’d be hard to get a couple hundred people interested.
I am interested in organizing a group buy. Thats why I started this thread…to see if I was the only one or not that had interest in a Civilian M16A4.
I would like a simple roll mark
“AR-15A4” under to the colt logos, nothing else. No Pporter, no Law Enforcement Carbine. Heck, they already make a “M4 Carbine” roll mark for their carbine version now.
If anyone is interested, I would like to hear about it.
From what I gather that’s been examined by at least two distributors that I know of and/or spoken with. Both fell through. I cannot speak as to why but it did and I picked up that it fell more on Colt’s shoulders than those who were fighting to get the model on the production line.
Yea I have two bcm 20 inch rifles because their 20 inch uppers where pretty much the best you could get at a reasonable price. One is pretty much a complete bcm gun(with exception to the a2 stock as the lower came with bcm’s m4 stock). The other is using a complete bcm upper on a local ffls lower that was made by mega.
For the second upper I considered palmetto but didn’t want to go through the extra mess to assemble a compete upper and wasn’t convinced that their complete upper was the way to go. I wasn’t sure if they ever started using the correct hand guard cap. Also it seems like they had some QC problems. Between that and bcm having the 20 inch upper back in stock it seemed like a no brainier.
Now if I could have gotten a complete colt upper at a reasonable cost I would have. Hell if I could have gotten the complete rifle when I got my bcm rifle I would have at least considered the colt instead.
At this point if they offered it I’m not sure if I’d personally get one. I have 2 20 inch rifles and am not really sure I need a third.
Colt can’t even keep their distributors stocked with existing models. The AR-15A4 roll mark is already in use on the AR6720. Look no further than said AR6720 to see an example of an epic fail. A rifle that scores said they would buy and when Clyde delivered, the buyers were nowhere to be found. Only Clyde himself knows how many hundreds of those carbines they are sitting on.
Needless to say, the 6720 is an amazing rifle. I find a lot of times the marketing it just done wrong. As one may observe, Colt got on the ball this past year somewhat.
If they are still sitting on hundreds of them part of the reason for that is the outrageous prices they want for the lower serial numbered guns. Right now you can get one from Grant for about $100 less than what they are asking for the higher serial number ones and get alot better customer service to boot!
The issue that will come up is Colt Custom would like to deliver the guns to one FFL. The minimum order requirement is another issue. Colt can fashion a website to take CC orders for a specific weapon so corralling the payments wouldn’t be an issue. Once the minimum order requirement is met then the buy closes and the 120 days for manufacturing the weapons begins. There are probably other issues that I’m overlooking but I’ll have more time tonight to call Dimock to see if this is even feasible.