Why not? Devils advocate thread.

Cut and paste from the drunk guy with a grinder thread… I figured I would start my own rather than crap up that funny thread.

Alright I know I am going to catch hell for this. But I sometimes play the devils advocate. Don’t ban me for this or berate me too bad. I staked my castle nut because that is what I was advised to do. I do as instructed if I am not en expert. That being said…

Logically thinking, a castle nut torqued onto another castle nut would provide a secure clamp. I know for my motorcycle the rear axle is held on that way, it came from the factory that way. Mind you, I still run with a cotter pin on it too. Or is the main reason this is frowned on to due with aluminum threads and steel nut? Meaning that maxing out torque might strip the threads off the buffer tube.

Also, not that I have done this, because… I just follow instructions of those smarter than I on a subject… But why the hate for loctite?

I guess I am trying to learn the why behind the issues… Don’t hate me for asking… flame suit on

P.S. I have a Spikes lower… not because I cared for the name. I actually don’t like the gay spider. But because it was a stripped lower that was local. I wanted build a higher end AR but not a store bought. I was advised all lowers come from only a few manufacturers… but now I feel shame… lol

Ah crap… this is not my day. I spelled advocate wrong. I wish I could edit that out. Flame away - sigh

Because taking a punch and a hammer you can stake a castle nut in 1 minute and it doesn’t shoot itself loose?

The reason is cost, weight and complexity. There is just no need to add a second castle nut.

THE SYSTEM WORKS AS INTENDED.

C4

True enough. That is why I went with that method. I guess I was more asking why it would break if tried the other way. Which gathering from your response the reason is vibrations from firing the weapon might loosen it up if done the other way. Which makes sense to me. But I just wanted to ask to see if there was a reason I was not thinking of.

Well that makes sense too. Why blow money and look like a fool in the process? Thanks for the logical explanation.

Isn’t there like 3 or 4 threads going discussing the same couple topics from that site?

I don’t really go over to that other site too often. So not sure.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=76598

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=75393

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=76646

Others must have died off. These were all on the first three pages of the new posts search.

Well, I was not really discussing the topic from that original post. That was the reason I started another thread. I figured I would be polite and not crap up a funny thread.

No worries.

Personally, I think they need to just sticky a ‘rant about stupid shit on other sites’ thread in the GD.

All forms of loctite are susceptible to loosening from heat. Staking also allows for 100% visual confirmation that the fastener isn’t going anywhere.

Because staking can be done with a five dollar tool, and easily removed for service.

I actually noticed that the m4s I used in the military didn’t have staked castle nuts. Never really saw them come loose.

Because we stake them here. Car guys double nut stuff. Race car and plane guys safety wire stuff. You do what you are familiar with (and “works fine”) and then berate everyone that does it different. :wink:

Really? Every M4 in A1-18’s armory had a staked castle nut. And B Co, C Co, and HHC.

Boy,isn’t that the truth!

One spun off into another that we thought would be benefitial to a wider audience.

(it started off as an update in the “retard” thread, but the grinder imbecile became a “not everyone should be building” thread;))

the need for to stock wrenches. usually tourquing one nut against the other makes them both move. So you have to turn one nut one way and the other nut gets turned the opposite. tools are expensive enoughand to have to buy 2 and then 2 nuts no. Eugene Stoner knows better then me so ill stick with the way it was designed

Picture used with permission from MVICIAN… What Locktite can do…

The thread on TOS wasn’t referring to 2 castle nuts I don’t think, just 2 nuts with the right pitch/thread. A couple wrenches and you’d be GTG.

I agree that staking is the best and easiest way, but there is more than one way to skin a cat here, no so much on a BCG though. Takes all the fun out of the arguments on that one. :frowning: