Why is this still happening? Question about Pirates

On the High Seas, those waters beyond the recognized boundary of any Nation, there are only three prohibitions under International Law – None of which specifically prohibit weapons on a vessel.

The problem is that the vessel is subject to the laws of the territorial waters that they are in, when they are not on the High Seas… this means that unless the vessel never made port, and carefully navigated around the vast amounts of regulated waters around the many thousand of small islands around the World, they would eventually be subject to the laws of one nation or another.

Factoring in the ease of establishing Constructive Presence, as well as some Nation’s control of their Flag, regardless of where it is… and the fact that many countries weapon laws are far more draconian than ours: there are indeed legal issues and limits what would, sooner or later, likely come into play.

I just understand this whole thing. Hijacking a Freighter from a Dingy is like hijacking a bus from a scooter. Wouldn’t it be easier to just turn into the bastards once they come alongside? :confused:

with the proper weaponry, i don’t think hijacking a bus from a scooter would be too terribly difficult.

also, at speeds that would actually make the analogy work, i don’t think it would be too terribly difficult for a scooter to avoid being hit by the bus.

Great points. I would say the nations that want, or even need, the items carried on board the ships must allow them to defend themselves or forfeit having the items delivered period. Once docked, the weapons must be stored properly or charges can be filed.

As far as navigating through one nations waters to get to another, there are ways around just about anything. If you can’t literally go around, then give some feasible incentive to allow armed crews to sail through the uptight nations waters under strict guidelines.

All I am saying is that there has got to be a better solution to this very dangerous problem other than fire hoses and loudspeakers against machine guns and RPG’s.

Sounds like a business opportunity.

i remember reading maybe 6 months back about a cruise ship that used some sort of sonic weapon to repel pirates and it actually worked. they didn’t go into specifics to not give away exactly how the technology works, but you could prolly find out at least the basics.

so, it seems there are some options being developed.

From new reports the pirates have summoned assistance from other of their kind.

I would assume that any ship that tried to resupply or otherwise aid these pirates would be dealt with harshly. Am I wrong in my assumption?

Buckaroo

Just equip the ships with extra “navigational” radars. Former Air Force buddy of mine told stories of the safety briefings on locking out the power to the set, it was normally accompanied by them throwing a chunk of steel wool infront of the emitter and watching it burst into flame.

I would think that Jiffy Popped Pirate would be the end result of this type of system on the ships.

I sure hope not. Can’t imagine that going down without incident under any circumstance now that the ship already has hostiles on board.

Meek makes weak. GREAT policy in the business world… :rolleyes:

In case any hasn’t noticed, a ZIM line vessel hasn’t been hijacked.

The line is owned by the state of Israel, when they are in port they have a crewman whose job it is to watch everyone who comes aboard. They stand at the gangway and it has been speculated that there is a weapon within reach.

I would assume they are prepared to stop anyone from boarding any of their vessels by any means.

Well as for the Capt. being held hostage right now…Their called NAVY SEALS! They need to run a “Death from Below” kind of operation. The Cap tried to esape today. But they jumped in after him and drug him back. They should have had the predator watching the boat fire a missle at the boat when he jumped in. :smiley:

That’s funny because I remember hearing about a ship hiring a non-lethal security force. When they were hijacked by pirates, the non-lethal security team jumped over board because their non-lethal equipment and techniques weren’t effective.

Joe Mamma

I’ll 2nd that,all in favor…

Here are some current tactics…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HejYngWPV0A :smiley:

On a more serious note, the sitution is getting out of hand. I think they now want 2 million for the captain. Does a private security team cost more than that?

At the moment, if I was the CIC, I’d issue the following directive:

  1. Send helicopter to strafe life boat to sink it. With any luck, American hostage won’t be hit.

  2. Once in water, pirates will have tough time firing weapons.

  3. Pick up American hostage.

  4. Complete strafing operation.

  5. Bonus Points! Find mother ship and sink it.

With Somali pirates being in the news, this passage from Noam Chomsky comes to mind:

In the City of God, St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, “How dare you molest the seas?” To which the pirate replied, “How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.” St. Augustine thought the pirate’s answer was “elegant and excellent.”

Best answer I’ve heard yet…

From
http://corner.nationalreview.com/

On Piracy [Mario Loyola]

The piracy issue pops up every once in a while when a spectacular hijacking hits the news. Two questions normally then arise — and both have already been raised on the Corner today. Cliff May asks why they don’t put armed guards on the ships. David Rivkin and Lee Casey examine the muddled international law of the issue, and the box we’ve worked ourselves into by pretending that we need international permission to vindicate the freedom of the seas.

Cliff’s question is crucial, because what is often lost in this discussion is a sense of strategic proportion: What is the weight of the U.S. interest involved? There were over 90 Somali pirate attacks last year, resulting in about 40 successful hijackings, with few fatalities. But — this is the crucial point — about 21,000 merchant vessels transit the Horn of Africa region every year. With profit margins as razor-thin as they are in the merchant shipping industry, it would be expensive to add an effective force of armed guards to all of those crews — apparently too expensive to make it worthwhile given the risk (and given the alternative of avoiding the area altogether and taking the longer route about the Cape of Good Hope). Any ship transiting the Horn of Africa has less than a 1 in 200 chance of being hijacked, even with the upsurge of recent years. Moreover, virtually none of those ships are American flags or (more important) American crews. (One exception is ships that bear international food aid to Somalis — and protecting those is the mission of a specific NATO task force.) Obviously their success can’t be judged by this one failure.

I don’t think it’s fair to describe the performance of the U.S. or even European navies in this area as “lame.” Their presence in the lower Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, and the nearby areas of the Indian Ocean have an incalculable and probably huge deterrent effect on piracy, and have likely reduced what would otherwise be intolerable levels of piracy to levels that are commensurate with free navigation in the area. If it were otherwise, the route would not be among the world’s most heavily transited by merchant ships — it is not catastrophically more expensive to go around the Cape of Good Hope, as thousands do. In the early 19th century the ravages of the Barbary Pirates were starting to materially hurt the American economy, which is why we organized our first navy to fight it. Piracy probably was never totally “eradicated;” more likely, it was just reduced to commercially acceptable levels. The situation today is not so different: the U.S. Navy and its international partners are forcing the Somali pirates to operate far out into the Indian Ocean, which is much more difficult for pirates to reach, and where their targets are much more dispersed. The effect is that what could be a strategic threat to vital U.S. interests simply isn’t.

The U.S. Navy would likely resist any attempt to increase assets committed to the anti-piracy task force at the expense of other missions. And Central Command would certainly fight off any suggestion of a mission to root the pirates out of their bases, which would entail a great commitment of force and a great loss of civilian life to root out at an enemy that isn’t terribly deadly or strategically dangerous to begin with—not to mention the nebulous prospects of victory that would attend any such mission. When Navy commanders point to the rule-of-law and good governance in Somalia as the only ultimate solution to this problem, they are consciously pointing to goals that cannot be accomplished by the U.S. military at any cost remotely commensurate with the U.S. interest involved.

However, if the U.S. should not necessarily expand its anti-piracy operations, it should certainly expand (or restore) the scope of the right we claim to defend the freedom of the seas. Here is where the Rivkin/Casey analysis is crucial. We can expect liberal transnationalists (and, for want of clearer operational authorities, the military itself) to call for international tribunals and the like to handle pirates. This must be seen as another assault on U.S. sovereignty. The U.S. should vindicate a right to fight, detain, prosecute, and punish pirates every bit as broad as that which we vindicated in the early decades of the Republic.

Letters of marque and reprisal could be granted for a free market solution to the piracy issue. Wouldn’t cost the taxpayer very much, either.

Ma Deuce times at least 4 on all vessels. Night vision equipment would also be useful.
Train the crew and pay out monetary rewards for good hits on targets. :smiley: