why i will no longer use kydex attachments for any of my holsters

This morning like every other morning I woke up took a piss brushed my teeth and put my gun on. this morning I discovered something odd, the holster I have been using for 6-8 months had a broken IWB loop(well c clip) I was snapped 90% of the way through. It was just enough to keep it from falling off. The odd thing is I have no clue how it could have happened, I don’t use this holster for any serious training (i use a safariland holster for that)or any other activity that could have caused this. I have been planning on replacing them with soft loops as soon as these broke because of other story’s I have herd but didn’t think it would happen for quit some time because I don’t use this holster for anything that’s likely to damage it. Anyway its a kalibancloke(sp?) And I had problems getting the holster to begin with, then wen I did the mag pouch that I got at the same time didn’t fit the magazine without some serious grinding with a dremel, I did this because I was told it would be about a month before I could get it replaced. So needless to say I’m not even going to bother trying to go through them. Dose anyone know of somewhere I can get some good soft IWB loops? I would prefer some kind of synthetic or rubberized material but if nothing like that is available I would use leather before I used kydex again. Thanks for any replies. Will get pics up wen I get home.

So you used kydex instead of metal for loops to attach to belt?

I do. I make my own, and holsters. Real easy to work with. I go through 2-3 front and rear belt loops a year. I keep an extra set in my work truck just in case.

knifekits.com and you can by 1’x’1 and 1’x2’ sheets in various colors and thickness.

Google “working with kydex” and you will find lots of tips and tricks.

To the OP, should have used a heat gun or hair dryer to fix your magazine fitment issue.

Cross Breed sells various replacement belt clips at a decent price.

Raven sells replacement IWB soft loops with snaps on their site. Bit pricey, but supposedly made with hyper-super-advanced plastics derived from dragon scales with a unicorn semen coating for maximum durability. Attaching them to a holster they were not designed for may require you to break out the Dremel again or some drill. If need be, small stainless nuts, bolts and locking washers from home depot that fit the holster’s OEM rivets will do just fine. Fit and cut to proper length, blue if you like with Birchwood Casey Super Blue. More secure than Chicago screws in my experience.

If you take a look through the How to Make A Kydex Holster Tutorial thread’s last few pages, youll find some posts by me about using MALICE Clips as IWB soft loops. Short MALICE Clips are available through several online gear retailers, a simple google search will turn up plenty. Again, stainless hardware from the local Home Depot has never let me down and never presented any issues. They work for a cheap, secure and durable IWB loop solution.

Good luck.

Thanks for the replies. I will look into raven and cross breed for some replacement soft loops. My main concern was the new loops not matching up with the holes in my holster. Or them not being the same size. Do you have any experience with the soft loops from secret city holsters? They look good but looks don’t mean much. Anyways thanks again

For $4.50 to $10.50 depending on color, a utility knife, a drill, correct size drill bit, a sanding drum to fit the drill, and a heat gun or the wife’s hairdryer, you can make a lifetime supply of belt loops/clips.

FWIW knifekits.com also sells premade belt loops for their knife sheath kits.

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/index.php?cPath=41_56

Here is my holster. I camouflaged the front clip with a leather beltloop/key ring holder, and the rear clip is a 2/3 loop, not clip so it will not come off the belt, and the color matches my belt so you have to look to see the clip at the rear, it does not stand out.

I don’t print, and my custom holster does not wear holes in my jeans. I wear the holster 15/7.

While kydex is strong enough to hold/holster a weapon and can withstand rigorous usage in that context, most shy away from using kydex as the support loops for belts since metal is easier to use and will hold up a lot better.

Actually, Raven Concealment makes really good hooks/loops for attaching to kydex holsters. I don’t know the pattern that your holster is, but if it is close to what might fit on yours you may want to give them a try.

Try the Raven Concealment soft loops as suggested or the blade Tech soft loops with some hardware and either should work for you.

Plastic, in general, has very poor fatigue properties. Loading the hell out of it with a belt and moving around all day will eventually break plastic loops. Fact of life.

this is a similar reason i went with a tommy theis holster the second time around as opposed to another MTAC. i prefer the metal clips.

Very material specific. Certain polymers work well, and others don’t work as well.

There is a reason the vast majority of our attachment options are made of materials other than Kydex.

Correct. Kydex also needs to be used correctly, which most aren’t.

Orionz for the win on that one. There’s a misconception that what doesn’t work for one company is impossible to work for others, which is way too vain for me to subscribe to.

I think anyone claiming their kydex loops break should post pictures and material info (if the customer knows it). The issue comes from blanket statements being applied to those who know what they are doing.

A good example I like to use was a Border Patrol agent telling me “I won’t run custom kydex because holstering pushes the slide out of battery”. Because one company chose not to remove the ejection port indentation, this person has been soured completely to a proven design by all makers. The same can be said of loops. Most people don’t know the grade of kydex used, thickness used, and manufacturing process used on their loops. There’s an assumption that all kydex belt loops are created equal.

Polymer is certainly a better choice, especially from the manufacturer’s point of view. But kydex loops when made properly are perfectly suitable and durable. It’s making mountains out of mole hills to say otherwise. In the age of the Internet, there’s really no reason to take a gamble on wether a shop knows what they are doing. Word spreads quickly, especially when it’s bad news.

It’s always interesting to see who are the ones preaching against Kydex belt attachments, because they generally have a dog in the fight. Which is perfectly fine (it’s called Marketing), but we’ve all heard a myth or two in our lives. That’s why I’m selling my AR-15s… I hear they are pellet guns that have more malfunctions then any other rifle out there - so the jokes on you if you don’t dump yours for the superior M14. :wink:

Merry Christmas Eve everyone.

OP - I have a set of scuffed up BladeTech soft loops. If you shoot me an email, I’ll send them out as a Christmas gift. They will fit your KC holster. Cheers.

I want to be clear about how I feel about kydex belt loops. I understand that kydex can be a good option if done right, but I’m not going to test fate to find a company that dose it right wen i can go with a different material and not have to worry if the kydex is of the proper grade or if the grain is running in the direction it should. I have nothing against kydex itself or I wouldn’t own any kydex holsters,mag pouches,sheath’s or any other kydex product. I just think there are better materials for the high stress area’s such as the belt loops, its as simple as that. Thanks to everyone for the replies I’m going to take a few pic’s of the clip and holster.

nobody knows - I feel your frustration. I went through belt clips fairly quickly until I designed the correct shape and used thicker stock (.125 from .080). I hope that you find a suitable replacement for your holster that works well, and does not draw attention.

FWIW I am a field service technician for a concrete paving company. Office dwelling desk jockey, I am not. My 60+ hour weeks consist of climbing, crawling, rolling around, hanging upside down…2-3 loops a year is expected and I daresay phenomenal for what I subject my holster and loops to. As it is I am on my third shell since 2007 and second leather backing.

I can understand that, but it just illustrates my point. You have companies who devote a lot of time understanding the source material and companies who are content just making something - no matter the end result. So when something isn’t made properly, it turns someone off completely.

What you are describing is an Overhook. There aren’t a ton of options here. You can go with Crossbreed’s metal clip - which will deform and no longer grip the belt over time. Then you have kydex, which is nearly impossible to make a durable Overhook because being open ended stresses the kydex to fatigue.

I’m a huge fan of Overhooks though. I greatly prefer them to Soft Loops. But I won’t sell anything knowing there’s a good chance it will break. Holsters hold tools to take lives, so the consequences are serious. Our solution was to reinforce the weak points. The results were great. They are heavy on the human labor part, but at least I can offer a durable Overhook that won’t deform like metal.

There are plenty of examples of kydex Holsters and mag carriers breaking as well. I think anyone who is an actual kydex workman will say the same thing - the craftsmanship matters much more then materials. In time, design flaws will show themselves in the holster bodies out there. Since this is an AR site, I’ll use another example. One AR maker can use the same exact materials (or even better) then another AR maker, but have their rifle perform considerably worse. The availability of kydex “how-to” guides and small minimum purchase order material distributors has started to dilute the reality that this is still a profession with varying degrees of skill. Customers have tons of information available on kydex shops. There’s lots of reviews out there to help take the guesswork out.

Cheers.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but Ravens are rubberized Kevlar, rather do like mine thus far (can’t say I’ve had them for years and years).

If you get the tuck-able Raven soft loops I don’t know if the bar’s eyes will match your holsters eyes but you can remove the soft loops themselves from the tuck-able bar (or just buy them without it) where if your C hooks can be removed from what attaches to your holster (bolted on some sort of bar) then I imagine you could attach them to that. This is not fact however just something to look into.

With your history with the company thus far, might want to switch to a Raven Phantom and get it over with :happy:

In my most humble of opinions, I think you really should consider the Raven Concealment Systems Phantom holster. Their new soft loops are the best attachment device I have ever come across. The retention of their Kydex molding vs. Kydex - backed leather is far superior to anything I’ve used for IWB carry. I am a little bit biased because I simply am hooked on their products, support, and excellent after the sale service. I have never dealt with a more customer focused company in my life (at least not in the firearms community).

The soft loops are simply “bulletproof”. Well not really bulletproof, more like idiot (I break things a lot) proof.
http://www.ravenconcealment.com/accessories/iwb-modular-accessories/iwb-eclipse-modular-accessories-iwb-soft-loops