Why I hope you will never reward Marlin with your business!

This is my true account of my experience with a despicable American firearm manufacturer.

On September 1st 2011 I purchased a NIB Marlin 1895GBL levergun, chambered in 45/70, a caliber that I’ve always esteemed. I traded one very nice Beretta 92FS to complete the transaction, which for reasons to yet be explained, was a bad choice on my part.

After completing the transaction I took the firearm home, it was going to be used this year for Wisconsin’s bear season, then for both the Minnesota, and Wisconsin deer season’s. A week after taking it home it was made known to me that Marlin had actually been forced to close down all of it’s levergun operations due to extensive QC issues, apparently due to both poor training, and disgruntled employees.

I discovered this as my LGS had examined my specimen and found that the stock was poorly fitted, he advised me thusly, and then offered the further info regarding the closure. We fired the carbine to ensure that mechanically if it was sound, indeed it chambered and fired flawlessly. So I contacted Marlin firearms and explained to them in detail the nature of the defect, and that I was hoping to use the carbine for the upcoming bear season, they offerd to send me a call tag and I accepted. Fifteen(15)days later the call tag arrived in the mail! Despite this tardy response, I elected to send them back their firearm for repair.

Several weeks later I got the firearm back, it was just before the begining of the Minnesota deer season, sure enough the stock was replaced, it looked quite nice and was by all appearences properly fitted, though now it was missing finish from the portion of the barrel that had been in the vice. Nontheless I was prepared to accept, and use it, so I went out back with the intention of shooting it extensively, to ensure it’s function and become familiar with it’s level of accuracy.

Unfortunately it now refused to chamber a round, I tried it with several different flavors, it simply refused to go into battery with any of them, I gentled it off and on until I was satisfied that the bolt and extractor were now out of spec somehow. I re-contacted Marlin, again explaining the nature of the new defect, and I added in the loss of finish, as it was obvious and stood out. Once again they offered me the call tag, which I refused! I explained to them the need for speed, further I was now requesting an entirely new firearm as this one had proven itself as completely unfaithful in the very short time it had been in my possession. Instead I offered to overnight it to them at my expense, so that they could expidite the process, I was led to believe by the CSR that if I followed her instructions this would be possible, I followed them to a T!

Nine days later, as the Minnesota deer season was winding down I hadn’t heard a thing, so I called Marlin once again, I spent much of that time on hold before even being transferred to a live CSR, about twenty minutes in total before catching a live CSR. When I did get through it was very unsettling to discover that they had only just checked the firearm into their system, that very day, fully nine days after following their CSR’s instructions to a T, and overnighting them their defective carbine on my dime!

I was not happy, and I communicated this fact robustly, though as an adult, and without benefit of language. I was hung up on by the CSR! I immediately called them back and was once again placed on hold for just under twenty minutes, finally a CSR picked up and again the explanations were made, and expectations firmly communicated. This CSR assured me that he would replace the firearm immediately, he placed me on hold while he went in search of what was in their inventory(17-minutes), when he returned he now stated that they would like to replace my firearm except that they were no longer available at all because Marlin was no longer making them!:mad:

I demanded to speak to a supervisor, instead they took my number and promised that one would call me back later that day! No call came back! next day first thing, I re-contacted Marlin yet again, same process, including a twenty-four minute hold before getting a live body. This time I simply demanded my money back, the CSR was not what I’d call rude, he was simply unconcerned & disinterested in my experience with his company, though he stated he would get me my money back, did I have a reciept? Yes, I did, though at this point it dawned on me that the reciept only reflected the cash difference in the original transaction, a sum of only $242.00.

I explained this to the CSR, and unsurprisingly was told that that would be the total of my refund, unless I could muster an amended reciept from the retailer. So we parted company and I contacted the retailer, who said that he would have to search his records in order to establish a full value($689.00)of the transaction, a process that would take at least three weeks!:frowning:

Again I called Marlin, another extended period waiting on hold, same conundrum, same everything. I again demanded a supervisor, explaining that I had never been contacted by one when requested the first time, again they promised, and again there was no call. I called back the next day, same procedure, finally a CSR promised me that within the hour a Supe would call me back. and one did!

I was very angry, and I let him know it, I explained the delay in obtaining an amended reciept and the rapidly approaching deer opener, I explained the original defect, and the follow up defect after they had returned my firearm the first time. I explained the CSR’s instructions for expiditing the process and the overnight shipping on my dime followed by the nine day delay in even checking the defective POS into their system, let alone that nobody had even attempted to contact me!

The supe now promised me that he had found a replacement rifle, the exact same configuration, the catch being that it would have to come to them from down south, creating a delay of at least three weeks!:blink: I refused, asking him why it would rsult in such a delay, he responded that they had to work it through their system. I offerd again to eat the shipping costs if they would overnight it, he said that he would cover them, but that it would still be three weeks.

At this point he offered that if I were to have it shipped to a dealer they could by-pass the shipping to Marlin altogether, greatly diminishing the delay, the catch being that I’d have to resubmit to the Brady check, he said I would likely have the rifle next week(Thanksgiving week), again I offered to pay expedited shipping costs, he refused, instead promising to overnight it on their dime.

The carbine was not delivered to my ffl on either Monday or Tuesday, prompting a new round of phone calls, I got through eventually to the supe’s office, a CSR checked into the progress and couldn’t for the life of her unearth any reference to the promised replacement carbine in their system, informing me that the supe was on vacation! As I type this out, the Wisconsin deer season has closed down for 2011!

I have greatly edited this down for brevity, it was believe me, far worse and more involved. I have had other truly creepy customer service treatment before, though this is the A#1, king of the hill, worst of them. I would hope that administration leaves it up for some time in an attempt to reach out and prevent some other poor chump from being so ill-treated by the “Freedom Group.”

I would add that a few years ago I had a G21SF blow up in my hands, it was quite an impressive experience all to itself. It was clearly established that the Kaboom was not the fault of Glock, but overcharged factory 230 gr ball ammo from PMC. Yet seventy-two hours after we figured out what had happened, Glock had delivered a new pistol to my door step…It’s my sincere hope & desire that Marlin ceases to exist, as it should…

Man Im really sorry to hear that.

I hear these horror stories with alot of stuff. I am extremely grateful I havent personally had to endure them.

Its a shame that such a good company had to shut down and customers like you have to pay for it.

My very first rifle was a Marlin Model 60, it was given to me by my uncle when I was 8. Im now 32. It still shoots amazing.

Anyway thats besides the point.

Thanks for the heads up so no one else has to go through this.

Sorry you had to be the Martyr

Thank you good sir, though I’m not really looking for sympathy, rather I would hope folks feel free to re-post this account in any forum they may wish. And it is to bad, Marlin used to be a fine manufacturer, unfortunately my account has apparently become commonplace…

Wow. Sorry to hear about that. I guess I’ll be on the lookout for a used one.

Par for the course lately, unfortunately. Marlin was such a good company. I hope they can get it together soon.

Ive been into guns for basically two decades and its become apparent to me, at least outside of the AR world, that you have to buy a semi custom to custom rifle to get one that doesn’t come out of the box with numerous issues (no matter how small).

Between my buddies and I we have a lot of guns, and its amazing the shit being put out.

One thing, and not a slight on you but its generally not a good idea to purchase a gun you intend to use on a hunt within a relatively short period before said hunt. Ive read numerous stories like this over the years, and while the gun being fucked up out of the box isnt cool if the hunt is so important you should have had a squared away gun months before and been practicing with it not trying to trade promises and overnight shipments back and forth.

I agree, there’s a lot of shit out there. It seems most of the US made products are about on par with cheap overseas products as of late…but at higher prices. Might as well just buy the imported stuff.

OP, Do a search here for the lever guns by Superior, posted by Mr. Smith. I haven’t seen their stuff in person but that pictures they post are one step above porn, leaving me drooling for a lever gun just to send them to be reworked.

Im looking at buying a bolt action hunting gun and I doubt it will be a US made gun. Looking at Sako guns now.

US companies have continually cheapened their guns with things like plastic trigger guards and magazine housings. Add in poor qc to things like chamber checks and it gets worse from there.

Supposedly the newly made Winchester Model 70’s made by FN in SC are pretty good, and a lot more consistent than pre-FN owned Win stuff.

Thank you for your post. I will re-post in other gun forums.

Sako/Tikka are great guns. Sako 75 in .375 H&H and a Tikka M595 in 7mm-08 were both very great guns. Seller’s remorse.

I’m not sure how long ago, but I know it was recently, Remington started producing and supporting many of Marlin’s lever guns. Marlin used make some of the best lever guns around until Remington got involved. By all accounts Marlin’s lever actions have now gone to shit. Hopefully I’m wrong but this “Freedom Group” family of companies seems to be sticking its dick in the prospect of quality made American firearms.

Its a shame that Marlin seems to have gone so far downhill in terms of quality. I only own one, a Marlin 39 built in 1953. Even though I shoot it almost everytime that I go out to the range and it must have tens of thousands of rounds through it, I still is very reliable and shoots much better than all of my friend’s much more modern semi-auto .22s. One thing looking at the rifle is that it is amazing how much quality manufacturers put in relatively basic rifles in the old days. The blueing and woodwork on my old marlin is better than many expensive rifles that are sold today.

Anybody else suspect a connection between the apparent decline in Marlin’s QC and CS and the company being acquired by Freedom Group, a subsidiary of Cerberus Capital Management, a major private equity firm?

There’s another thread (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=93479) discussing a recent NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/how-freedom-group-became-the-gun-industrys-giant.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=us) about Freedom Group, which in the past 4-5 years has scooped up Bushmaster, DPMS, Marlin, Remington, and a handful of other firearm accessories and ammunition suppliers.

Gordon Gecko might be the go-to guy for turning a fast buck on Wall Street, but I don’t know if I want him building my rifle.

And this kind of bums me out because a Marlin Model 1894 chambered in .357 mag. was on my short list.

It was a good company but everything that was Marlin, except the name, was lost when they shut down North Haven CT operations!

…Sadly, this no longer means much. The firearms industry should have studied history (U.S. automakers) instead of resting on its laurels and relying on their name brands’ reputations. Many of the American firearm manufacturers are mere shells of what they once were.

Its all part of the WalMartization of America. U.S. consumers measuring value by price vs. quality.

I purchased a new Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag around twenty years ago. Shot it and later that night when i was cleaning rifle i put a bore light down barrel. To my surprise light was coming out of barrel where it wasn’t supposed to. When rifle was made the feed tube barrrel band screw hole was drilled all the way into the barrel. Marlin replaced the barrel and rifle was returned in a timely manner.

Find a nice used Interarms Mark X/Whitworth or Remington 798 in .458WM. Wisconsin Cartridge Corp loads a 405gr RNSP @ 2200fps. Hunting Shack Munitions loads a 350gr FPSP @ 2500fps. Both sell for about ~40/box and would work for any NA game. I love the look and feel of the Marlin big loop’s but there is nothing like a CRF mauser for things that bite back.

Full disclosure: I am totally biased. http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=88949 :smiley:

I just took my old Marlins out of the safe and hugged them.

Careful, you are sounding awfully tinfoil finding conspiracies and such;). As to the OP I am sorry to hear this. I used to be a pretty big fan of theirs, but then most of my experiences with them were a few years back or are with their guns that are a few years old.