Why didn't Switzerland use or make the G3?

[SteyrAUG]

@Ron3

Thanks.

Definitely dont want it to be an AR.

But I do want a shorter LOP and it would be nice not to break grip to move the selector.

Also, the triggers on my guns had to be 8 lbs or more. But as you said, I’m not looking for than 2-3 moa. 2 would be nice with good factory ammo.

Kind funny, most people found them too short to the point that E&L Manufacturing produced HK stock extenders. Are you able to shoot a FAL or a full stock AR-10? We’re your PTRs standard HK stocks?

As for the selector, I learned to click it off safety as I brought it to the shoulder or set down into a shooting position. I’m not one of those OCD folks who feel it must be put back in safe immediately after firing even if many other targets are imminent. I can get it from semi to full on G3s without any adjusting to that is the important thing.

Now trying to get a FAL on full auto, that requires a long thumb.

[Grand58742]

@Ron3

What’s their ground-based air defense like?

Other than the Oerlikon, I don’t think they had much to add there either. And regardless, the Oerlikon was a German design…

[Grand58742]

@SteyrAUG

Not sure about the particulars, but I imagine they had a Finland model of national defense where basically they will be in the mountains shooting up your shit because they aren’t a flat piece of land you can blitzkreig across like France or Poland.

Post WWII the US basically provided for the defense of most western countries, which is how they could afford all that socialism during the Cold War, the exception being Switzerland which had some rules due to their declared neutrality. That is also why their 220 handgun had to be produced in Germany.

They really did have the citizen-soldier thing down during the World Wars and the Cold War. Remember the alleged comments made to the German Chancellor before WWI.

[Ron3]

@TheAlsatian

I know of 2 ways to obtain a shorter LOP on the G3: 1-Use the wood stock ,it is about 1 inch shorter than the synthetic or 2-use the retracting stock and have it modified. I had Adam Weber of HKParts do mine. I’m 5’5 and it was an issue for me…

I did try the wood stock. I got another and cut it down to make it shorter.

My lack of skill messed that up and I didn’t try again. I think the buttplate became the problem.

I also had the A3 stock. Hurts the shoulder & the cheek. Not fun anyway.

So, I recall reading somewhere that the Spuhr stock considerably shorter and raises the cheek for optic use. Unfortunately I also read it makes the stock irons impossible to see.

[Ron3]

@SteyrAUG

Kind funny, most people found them too short to the point that E&L Manufacturing produced HK stock extenders. Are you able to shoot a FAL or a full stock AR-10? We’re your PTRs standard HK stocks?

As for the selector, I learned to click it off safety as I brought it to the shoulder or set down into a shooting position. I’m not one of those OCD folks who feel it must be put back in safe immediately after firing even if many other targets are imminent. I can get it from semi to full on G3s without any adjusting to that is the important thing.

Now trying to get a FAL on full auto, that requires a long thumb.

Yea factory stocks. I’m 5,9. No, an AR A1 stocks are too long for me except prone and A2 stocks worse of course.

I haven’t held an FAL in a long time and haven’t fired one.

I’m with you on the safety engagement. The first rifle class I took I thought it was excessive but didn’t argue of course. I still think long guns are safed too much. If shooting has started I’m not selecting “safe” until it’s clearly over or I’m dropping the rifle or getting into or out of a vehicle or something.

That was back when I was AK-centric.

[lowprone]

" This…is my safety "

[The_Dumb_Gun_Collect]

1. I think the Swiss just like doing their own stuff. The really didn’t even want to adopt the 5.56 because they “neutral.”
2. The FAL would have really, really undermined the idea that they weren’t just a NATO pal. The G3 would probably been more excusable. But again they like their own stuff.
3. The FNC just isn’t that great. I am glad I have mine, but the gun is clearly designed to be a cheap alternative to the M16. It is a mass of ugly welds, tooling marks, etc. Basically looks like an alternative AR-18 where stoner decided to make an AK.
4. The 550 is the pinnacle of the 70s/80s super AK. It is truly a marvelous gun and is probably the best all-around rifle of that era.

[SteyrAUG]

@Ron3

Yea factory stocks. I’m 5,9. No, an AR A1 stocks are too long for me except prone and A2 stocks worse of course.

I haven’t held an FAL in a long time and haven’t fired one.

I’m with you on the safety engagement. The first rifle class I took I thought it was excessive but didn’t argue of course. I still think long guns are safed too much. If shooting has started I’m not selecting “safe” until it’s clearly over or I’m dropping the rifle or getting into or out of a vehicle or something.

That was back when I was AK-centric.

A3 stocks (called A4 on a G3) are f’ing meat tenderizers. One of the most painful stocks ever produced. Back in the long ago days I have a 51 B (beltfed) and my buddy had the same but with an A3 stock. That was the most painful shooting thing I’ve ever experienced ripping belts of .308 out of a shorty SBR with a parastock on it.