- i really don’t think you do see where this is going.
- nobody claims to be a know-it-all, here.
- aimpoint IS better then eotech.
- number 3 is a fact.
- f2s probably has more knowledge in his left toe then most of the people i’ll mention in number 6.
- just because “guys” treck the mountains of a-stan for a year, doesn’t mean they know jack crap about this subject matter… nor does it mean that their optic sees hard use. as for “guys” using certain forms of SOPMOD kit… they are issued said optics.
- truth is, you will find more people pleased with eotech then people who are dissatisfied. if eotech turned out more models that fail as opposed to models that didn’t, they would no longer be in business.
- please watch your mouth and consider your tone of voice. i don’t appreciate it.
I just recently acquired an XPS-2-0 and have only been able to run 15-rounds with it. I’ll let you know once I hit a couple hundred rounds if it holds up but that will take some time because it lives on my “loaner"rifle (LWRC M6A2 14.7” with PA/FH).
My 551 battery buffer pad in the battery carrier sticks to the battery occasionally,…peel it off when changing the batteries, reseat it and it works fine, but still not a good issue to have I imagine.
First, I’m pretty sure F2S has done a “hike” or two. Second, I don’t see where anyone is arguing for Aimpoint being better. Especially not F2S, he was just suggesting an alternative question that I could have asked, but the one I wanted answered was a little different.
Everyone else, thanks for all the info, great posts. Hopefully more to come.
Bear in mind that members of agencies and entities that use these things can often walk up to a cage, turn in a busted one and get a new one. It’s rarely thought of, from the outside and looking in, and individual owners generally don’t have that option.
Bear also in mind, some of the cats you’re talking about are also comprised of those that get a suite of devices to swap out, even if the above weren’t the case. Again, individual owners may or may not have that option.
Bear further in mind, even presuming that something has an 70% failure rate (just to completely make up a number…), the 30% that don’t fail are out there, working. It happens, but it’s not something upon which to base a warm-fuzzy…unless we’re talking baseball averages.
That’s putting aside control feature configuration and manipulation, modes, and other aspects that make up what’s more than just the sum of it’s parts.
Lastly, try to stop playing Billy Badass with the forum staff just because one (almost certainly several, good chance most) likely has a broader, deeper, more well-thought-out frame of reference than think you do. If you have a question to ask, ask it without the chest-thumping and presumption that you’re the only one with insight, and based upon what I can only guess is an emotional attachment to a purchase or the misperception that anybody is saying things that’ll hurt the feelings of an inanimate object. Whatever…
You can see where this is going because you’re making an active effort to push it that way. So, I can see where you’re going if you don’t get right in a hurry, and inject some basic politeness into yourself. If you will not or cannot do that, it will be done for you. This is a heavily-moderated forum, so if you want to continue to participate, it’d best be while using a different tone.
Please stop quoting the trolls, guys. Use the Report Post button, and let the staff take what actions are needed.
Quote the troll, this’ll get shut down for pruning…at the least.
I have a 512 that’s about 5 years old at this point, probably close to 30K rounds on it. Approximately 1 year into ownership when I went to swap batteries one of the rubber buffers fell out. I wasn’t having any issue prior to that, it was just time for new batteries. L3 replaced the battery compartment at no cost to me via next day shipping. Approximately 1 year later my sight began turning itself off under recoil (approximately every couple of hundred rounds at first and then quickly every couple of rounds). Fortunately this happened in a training class. L3 sent me a shipping label and returned my sight to me in 3 days total time. After about 6 months my sight began to exhibit the same behavior as before. I contacted L3 and they again sent me a shipping label and had my sight back to me in 3 days total time.
They advised that my sight should have had an electronics replacement on it’s first trip back, but it hadn’t happened. They basically sent me a brand new sight with just the same battered roll hood on it. I’ve since put close to 15K rounds through it with zero problems. My rifle was carried in a soft case in my patrol cars trunk for the majority of the time, and I certainly haven’t been gentle on my sight in that time. It has been whacked on things (into someone on one occasion), etc. It’s always held zero, and seems to be running 100% now. I’ll admit the second trip back I was seriously considering switching sighting systems due to reliability concerns. After an exhaustive shakedown those are allayed and I’m happy to still be running my EOTech.
-Jenrick
Awesome post, thanks. Glad to see that at least their customer service is pretty solid.
I had a 551 for about three years that rode on a couple of different carbines. It was a revision F and a good little optic and saw a lot of rounds and I liked it.
I got rid of it mainly because I wanted a Micro, and I didn’t need them both. Although in retrospect, it was a good optic and I should probably just have kept it and put it on another gun.
I have always SUSPECTED that the N-cell series were more likely to survive the battery-piston effect, just on account of the relatively low mass of the N cell battery.
Anyway, I don’t pretend that my experience is statistically significant, but on the basis of my experience, I’d probably buy an XPS and be pretty confident.
On the other hand…I now use a T1 for everything I take seriously.
I’d heard the N cells have the worst battery life out of all of them though?
In the same way I keep a spare bolt and assorted springs for my Rifle, I keep a spare battery box for the 512 on hand. Haven’t needed to swap it out yet; been two years/ 1400 ± rounds
Brownells has them on the cheap.
I concur with the N batt’s having short life. I ran a 511 for a few years and that was my only complaint. Number of rounds that sight saw is 10k. I am currently running an XPS with about 3k through it now. We will see how the XPS holds up.
I have been happy with my EXPS so far.
No probs whatsoever with my 516 and now my 553-- I banged both around pretty good in all kinds of weather/environments. No complaints. Wish it was a little lighter though-- comparing it to my T-1!
I’m sure that’s true. The battery life is not great. That is a distant secondary concern for me when compared to durability and reliability, however.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1193734&posted=1#post1193734
Had to post this here as it is very relevant.
Around the turn of the century, we had four N-cell EoTechs. These consumed batteries at the cyclic rate. Upside was they did not require a separate mount.
Bought an Aimpoint CompM with an ARMS mount. It solved the battery life issue. We preferred the single red dot. Traded the EoTechs for a 1000 gal. tank full of propane and bought Aimpoints ever since, up-grading over time with little additional expenditure of funds. Mount selection went from ARMS, to GG&G to LaRue.
Same here…
No problems with my XPS2.
Only problem I had with my 511 “N” cell, (other then chewing batteries up) was after 6 years of use, I notice the reticle would change brightness and focus on one corner of the FOV.
Sent it to EOTech 4 years ago and it was cleared up. It is now 10 years old and still going strong. Mine is an older Rev C so it really likes batteries. 
Can I vote twice? I’ve had two 123 models shit the bed.
Had a 512 for a little while, had no problems with it just decided I liked the aimpoint more.