I try to search this forum and AR15.com for parts that are rated Top Shelf. I know that BCM bolt and all of their parts are rated Top Shelf. I can’t find enough information to compare White Oak bolt. I look to buy parts I could trust and not to buy parts that will have a short life while being ran hard or easy. How would you rate White Oak Bolt?
Why even bother when the BCM Bolt is well known?
C4
We’ve run a few of them, and at one point Iraqgunz had one too… appeared to be STAG/CMT if I remember right. No way of knowing for sure what the materials and testing is… so?
I’d go BCM. That’s what I use, and it has run flawless for me.
Why even bother when the BCM Bolt is well known?
Possibly to get a WOA bolt to go with his WOA barrel? Just speculating…
Keith
Bolts are bolts for the most part. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
Most are made in the exact same shop by a select few companies with different brands on the bag.
Not any more. There is all kinds of crap floating around out there. If getting a real C158 bolt that’s been properly tested matters to the end user, then bolts are not bolts.
So I assume you have no issue using DPMS in all your guns?
Nonsense ! Parts are not parts and they’re not all made by a select few companies.
OP I’d stick with the BCM bolt.
You may have been correct at one time, but like markm mentioned, not anymore. There is so much inferior garbage floating around it’s not even funny. The WOA bolts I saw (AFAIK) were CMT. I think they were Carpenter 158, and they were only MPI tested.
You know BCM is good to go…
What a bunch of total B.S.
That lame excuse is used by sub-par manufacturers and ignorant consumers to promote crappy and sub-par products.
This is getting comical. I said “MOST” , not all. 158C is not needed for anything but High ROF Machine guns. That is the only time you will see any advantage over 8620. One is a High Carbon Steel and one is a True Alloy with much higher nickel and chromium content. 158 is more corrosion resistant but the realistic differences in real world applications is almost nil. The same can be said for 9310 or whatever wonder alloy of the week is used to sell shit to dirt shooters.
Its the same as companies pushing CHF like its some ****ing wonder magic pixie dust method of creating barrels. Its one way to skin a cat, and not always the best.
If you buy from any somewhat decent company: BCM, DD, LMT, Spikes, CMT/STAG, S&W ect you are going to get a good bolt.
How many bolts have you broken? How many have you seen broken? People take this shit WAY too seriously, without even understanding what they are arguing. The same people who cling to their bible “TDP” without even having a baseline understanding of how government contracts, regulation and law are the drivers behind such documents. I could write a TDP for a gold plated dildo, and If I found an agency dumb enough to contract with me, it would be sitting in the same archives.
Bolt breakage is VERY rare, unless its a very high round count or high firing schedules in a short amount of time. If you can afford to put 20K rounds through a gun, you can afford a new bolt to go with the barrel you just wore out.
Funny how a company like JP, does not use 158c for a reason. I think they may know a little about high round count weapons as they pretty much dominate the competitive market. The average JP gun has MANY more rounds than the average BCM, COLT , DD or KAC gun that gets shot 5 times a year.
Speaking of that, the KAC bolts I’m looking at don’t seem to be HP or MPI marked either…wonderrrrrrrrrr why?
Is anyone here claiming that WOA is selling shitty componets or bolts? That was the OP’s question right? All those poor high power masters must have bags full of broken bolts from all the cheap shit they build their guns/uppers with right?
Why would I replace E3 Bolts in my SR15’s? Factory guns don’t come with DPMS guts, unless its a DPMS gun. Plenty of people running a metric shit ton of rounds through DPMS .308/.260/6.5CM guns or guns with DPMS bolts and I don’t hear any complaints of bolt breakage.
On builds I use CMT if they are in stock or whatever is in stock from a decent brand company. Check headspace and let her rock. There is absolutley no advantage in a DD or BCM bolt over a CMT one. CMT has been in the game ALOT longer and you would be suprised to know who they make parts/bolts/carriers for. Companies like BCM/LMT/DD use their Brand to sell identical small componets at vastly inflated prices. I could have BCM make my golden plated dildo (and by make I mean contract out to someone who actualy MAKES shit), Stamp their name on the side, and All you wives/gf’s would be enjoying BCM just as much as we are.
Why don’t you ask KAC how they test their bolts? As far as I know they MPI and not HP. But, they also aren’t made from Carpenter 158 or 9310.
I have seen numerous bolt breakage, in the military and contracting world. After my SBR blew up due to bad ammo I remained convinced that a quality bolt is smart money.
No clue about their bolts, but generally speaking WOA does not put out garbage. Their barrels are shoot the lights out accurate.
I’d say that it’s generally safe to assume that if a well known company doesn’t specifically state that it’s tested and so forth then it probably isn’t. But that PROBABLY won’t be a problem…as the manner in which bolts are tested is actually destructive testing and if there is no problem then you’re actually ahead of the game. But if there is a problem(void/inclusion/whatever) then it won’t have been caught and you could bust a lug(or crack at the cam pin) prematurely.
Personally I order all of my small parts from BCM, Grant at G&R, or from SAW just because I know that they sell quality and that I will never regret it. So if you’re specifically ordering WOA’s bolt…I’d probably pass…but I wouldn’t go ripping one out of a complete upper to replace it either.
Twas a Rhetorical Question.
Any thing mechanical will fail over time and if run hard, fast and quick enough.
Very Very rare to see bolt breakage in non SOCOM units. Point is, can you honestly tell me a 9230/8XXX/158 would make a difference?
Without testing them side by side in vollume and controlling the test parameters there is no way to know. How do you know your SBR wouldn’t have failed if you had a BCM/Colt Bolt? You don’t know that.
It was a BCM bolt that had over 17K on it, when it happened.
OP,
Would it not make more sense to get an HP/MPI tested bolt from Stag Arms direct? $50 vs. $60 for the WOA. That is assuming you are not getting the BCM.