White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run health insurance as part of his ambitious health care proposal.

Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives. Such a concession is likely to enrage his liberal supporters but could deliver Obama a much-needed win on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.

Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess.

Obama has been pressing for the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation’s almost 50 million uninsured, but Republicans remain steadfast in arguing against it.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is “not the essential element” of the administration’s health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the showdown.

“I think there will be a competitor to private insurers,” Sebelius said. “That’s really the essential part, is you don’t turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing.”

Obama’s top spokesman refused to say a public option was a make-or-break choice for the administration.

“What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., chairman of the Senate’s budget committee, pushed the co-op model as an alternative.

“It’s not government-run and government-controlled,” he said. “It’s membership-run and membership-controlled. But it does provide a nonprofit competitor for the for-profit insurance companies, and that’s why it has appeal on both sides.”

As proposed by Conrad, the co-ops would receive federal startup money, but then would operate independently of the government. They would have to maintain the same financial reserves that private companies are required to keep to handle unexpectedly high claims.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said Obama’s team is making a political calculation and embracing the co-op alternative as “a step away from the government takeover of the health care system” that the GOP has pummeled.

“I don’t know if it will do everything people want, but we ought to look at it. I think it’s a far cry from the original proposals,” he said.

Republicans say a public option would have unfair advantages that would drive private insurers out of business. Critics say co-ops would not be genuine public options for health insurance.

Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, said it would be difficult to pass any legislation through the Democratic-controlled Congress without the promised public plan.

“We’ll have the same number of people uninsured,” she said. “If the insurance companies wanted to insure these people now, they’d be insured.”

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said the Democrats’ option would force individuals from their private plans to a government-run plan, a claim that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office supports.

“There is a way to get folks insured without having the government option,” he said.

Obama, writing an opinion piece in Sunday’s New York Times, said political maneuvers should be excluded from the debate.

“In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain,” he wrote. “But for all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing.”

Congress’ proposals, however, seemed likely to strike end-of-life counseling sessions. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session “death panels,” a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, declined to criticize Palin’s comments and said Obama wants to create a government-run panel to advise what types of care would be available to citizens.

“In all honesty, I don’t want a bunch of nameless, faceless bureaucrats setting health care for my aged citizens in Utah,” Hatch said.

Sebelius said the end-of-life proposal was likely to be dropped from the final bill.

“We wanted to make sure doctors were reimbursed for that very important consultation if family members chose to make it, and instead it’s been turned into this scare tactic and probably will be off the table,” she said.

Sebelius spoke on CNN’s “State of the Union” and ABC’s “This Week.” Gibbs appeared on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” Conrad and Shelby appeared on “Fox News Sunday.” Johnson and Price spoke with “State of the Union.” Hatch was interviewed on “This Week.”

My concern is about them trying to sneak the Public Option in the backdoor on one of those mega bills that have tons of ammendments.

I think it is a distraction. I don’t think they mean it.

lmfao. Best use of star wars ever!

The ones that the parasites in Congress do not even bother reading? YOu mean one of those mega bills? :mad:

Yeah I think its a trap, but damnit I hope its not. There are changes that need to be made to how our health care system is administered. But the current Obama care plan isnt the way to do it.

Tort reform would be a huge step i nthe right direction, but of course the folks in power need the lawyers for their campiagn contributions.

Smoke and Mirrors, the whitehouse doesn’t write the bills. Look at all the crap congress stuck in the “stimulus” bill.

If congress puts a bill on his desk with the public option you can bet the head narcissist in charge will sign it so fast your heads will spin.

Administration Official: “Sebelius Misspoke.” (“Nothing has changed”)
The Atlantic ^ | 8/16/09
Posted on August 16, 2009

Aug 16 2009, 9:11 pm by Marc Ambinder

Administration Official: “Sebelius Misspoke.”

An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius “misspoke” when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option “is not an essential part” of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President…

A second official, Linda Douglass, director of health reform communications for the administration, said that President Obama … had not backed away from that belief, and that he still wanted to see a public option in the final bill.

“Nothing has changed.,” she said. “The President has always said that what is essential that health insurance reform lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and increase choice and competition in the health insurance market. He believes that the public option is the best way to achieve these goals.”

A third White House official, via e-mail, said that Sebelius didn’t misspeak. “The media misplayed it,” the third official said.

On Saturday, Mr. Obama defended the public plan before an audience in Colorado Springs. At the same time, he said that the government option was not the single critical element of reform, pointing instead to the provisions preventing insurance companies from discriminating against people, requiring them to offer plans to everyone, and capping premium increases…

“The public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. This is just one sliver of it. One aspect of it,” Obama said.

That is a good example, it is hard to believe anyone as to what is actually going on. I dont see why they are trying to just jump in a change everything all at once in the first place.

Why dont they just pick a few test markets, implement a basic plan and see what happens.

like…

Brazil
Canada
Colombia
Mexico
Peru
Trinidad and Tobago
People’s Republic of China
Hong Kong SAR
India
Israel
Singapore
Taiwan (Republic of China)
Thailand
Finland
Germany
Netherlands
United Kingdom
England
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales
Australia
New Zealand

??? :confused:

The problem for me is the smoke and mirrors.

If Obama wants a single payer plan - and we know that he does because there is video of him saying so before getting elected - then lets debate the hell out of that idea, benchmark all the other single payer plans in the world, figure out what works and what doesn’t work, and come up with the best single payer plan in the world.

His former physician from Chicago has made some very good arguments in favor of such a system, and I am willing to hear all the pros and cons.

But what has been happening is double speak. He says you can keep your private insurance, but the bill says you won’t be able to get a new private policy. The public option will just add “a little competition” to an industry that already has a bunch of players and plenty of competition. Many of the provisions of the bill serve to ensure that the public option acts like a trojan horse to drive private insurance out of the market.

Just this morning he was on TV saying they would eliminate pre-existing condition limitations, and lifetime benefit maximums from private insurance. That would drive up insurance company costs and result in guaranteed increases in premiums, making private insurance even less affordable.

The fact that the bill is designed to back door a single payer system while the President says he is not advocating a single payer system makes me distrust the whole thing.

like…

NO, not like that. I dont agree with total socialized health care. I also dont agree with private health insurance being so high that it is cost effective for most healthy people to take a chance and not have insurance.

Not all of those are total social programs. You’re having a hard time with free market principles. It’s as high as you are willing to pay.

You said earlier

The problem with this debate is that most people are misinformed about the whole issue.

and I concur.

However the only reason private insurance costs so much is due to govt intrusion:

– coverage mandates

– community rating

– medicare/medicaid under-reimbursement pushing costs to private insurance

– insurance being more of a “service plan” than real insurance

In other words, free market principles are constrained right now in the health insurance markets. They work in the broken market we have been given by the government.

DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING WHOOOO WHOOOOO WHOOOO WHOOOOO TELL HIM WHAT HE’S WON JOHNNY!!!

I’m singing the same song e-guns.

You’re having a hard time with free market principals.

Nope I am not, I understand it.

I also understand that this state only coverage is not allowing it. I know that pools/companies having their own insurance, works here and the cost is so far from what private insurance is that it doesnt make sense except that insurance companies are making 10-1000 times more.

oook. :rolleyes:

Since you have nothing to say that you do not quote, feel free to let us all know your thoughts.