http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/25/mexico.dead.bodies/index.html?iref=obnetwork
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/white-house-press-pool-report-3-2/
Israel, Iran, Mexico, Pakistan - does it matter? Obama has a tee time, not time for work!
B_C
The Fall of Mexico, some startling implications in this read: corrupt govt, corrupt military, certain states are essentially under undeclared martial law. Not that we didnt know that already.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/12/the-fall-of-mexico/7760/
all of this can end with the legalization of this failed War on Drugs
“We’re getting some shrimp, come on guys!”
I think it is a better question as to where Presidente Calderon is and what he is doing. He is the Leader of Mexico after all; Obama ( and Bush 41, Bush 43 and Reagan before them) is not.
I guess the American President has no influence over our border or the drug war that is escalating over the increasingly profitable business of taking drugs into the US virtually unimpeded by US security forces and where the Attorney General, who reports to the President, wouldn’t sue a soveriegn state for enacting a law designed to stem the flow of illegals into their territory, right?
Yeah, you’re right, the voters and citizens of the USA shouldn’t question our leaders, we should question the leader of a country of which we aren’t citizens nor voters.
B_C
The sad truth is that there will be no real change in Mexico until the people of Mexico decide they want to fix their own problems, we can’t fix this for them. They sold their souls for Colombian cocaine dollars a decade ago from the peasant fisherman unloading the boats and mini-subs all the way up to their chief executive. Mexico has been a failed state since before WWII; it is going to take another, and real Mexican revolution to cure their ails. After all of their previous failed Mexican revolutions I hope they get the next one right.
grab your guns. i’ll bring my laptop. we can design propaganda leaflets along the way.
gentlemen… we’re going to mexico.
"grab your guns. i’ll bring my laptop. we can design propaganda leaflets along the way.
gentlemen… we’re going to mexico."
That’s the spirit!
As much as I don’t care for Obama, I don’t see this as a big deal. We all know he isn’t doing much anyways- whether he is in the White House or on the putting green.
People accused Bush of the same thing when he was in office.
Mexican massacre investigator found dead
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/27/mexico-massacre-investigator-migrants
Cartels are winning:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8d0f5ec6-b1fb-11df-b2d9-00144feabdc0.html
I would rather have him playing golf than screwing up the country. I feel safer when he is on vacation.
I think a failed Narcostate on the southern border is a bit more serious than that.
B_C
If Mexico is a failed Narcostate, we bear a significant amount of the blame, given our insatiable appetite for drugs and our failed “war on drugs.”
Goodness gracious, not this again. :rolleyes:
This BS has got to stop. The liberal talking point in the mainstream media is that the US is just as much or more to blame because of our appetite for drugs. Under the same argument, it was China’s fault that they wanted the opium and the British were only providing them what they had such a huge appetite for. Under that argument, the drug pusher is only filling a demand created by our citizens and our children, therefore he isn’t really the one to blame. The Mexican leadership sold their souls long ago. They are the ones that put their country in the piss poor condition that it is in now while lining their pockets and they are the ones that allowed their country’s economy to become dependent on illegal immigration and drug exports.
While you can argue that legalization of drugs will fix some issues, that same legalization will bring on a whole other set of issues. A significant number of our high school and junior high school kids are already using alcohol and tobacco. With much of the poor to non-existing parenting going on in this country, an influx of legalized drugs would likely further accelerate this country’s deterioration.
While I might use another word than blame, he is right that it is
largely a consequence of the war on drugs and desire to make drugs illegal. Same thing played out during prohibition. You’d think we would have learned by now.
I don’t know. History does not support this position. Neither our own experience with Prohibition nor other countries who have “liberalized” drug policies.
One point is that people fail to see the power of “advertising”. With big money to be made, there are lots of people on the street corners “advertising” to the kids to take drugs. Remove the money incentive, and you remove lots of the “advertising” to the kids. And the current prohibitions have not lessened the usage of drugs by kids at all.
Tangentially, this is an interesting link about Portugals drug liberalization
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/is-portugals-liberal-drug-policy-a-model-for-us/19591395
The worse Mexico gets, the more illegals will and want to pour over our border. Which will mean more future voters once they get amnesty. Why would Obama want to do anything?
The judicial system is making this worse by releasing nonviolent:rolleyes: addicts back onto the street because of overcrowded prison populations. The prisons are overpopulated because prison is a joke compared to what it used to be. This war on drugs is attacking the supply more than it is the demand. When a “business” has no demand, it goes out of business. Although you would see an increase in violence if the demand were to shrink to a trickle with the suppliers fighting for the remaining business.
its funny after they legalized MJ in Amsterdam, the Minster of Health declared “we successfully made smoking pot uncool.” They have HALF the MJ usage as the US, especially among teenagers.
Find me an instance where long term drug usage went higher after legalization than after illegalization. Dont kid yourselves into thinking this is some just righteous war on morality, its 100% an economic war and everyone is feeling the unintended consequences. You will literally destroy the cartels overnight with legalization. Drugs are bad but the side effects of legalization >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prohibition.
if one is for prohibition and in order for one’s arguements to be consistent, one must support the prohibition of alcohol or tobacco as well. If not, dont waste your own time trying to defend a hypocritical and inconsistent position. Only then would I recognize someones prohibition position, a true one that is consistent.
I would not use any drugs if they were legalized even tho I support their legalization. Hell, I dont even use alcohol or tobacco which are legal. I made a personal choice because of education and knowledge of their side effects, and I choose not to partake in such items.
I can see the merit in “decriminalization” versus “legalization” as described in the link. However, in the third paragraph, it says that while the users caught with less than a ten day supply face treatment, hefty fines and prison sentences still await drug traffickers and dealers. So, I can agree with decriminalizing possession, but what about trafficking?
Regarding your point on advertising, and just playing devil’s advocate, you are aware that many alcohol and tobacco companies do advertise? How would you feel about a huge billboard ad with a hot model preparing to snort down a line of cocaine?