When the Lies Come Home

“Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, ‘holding ground’ is fatal to any ground force.”

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-the-lies-come-home/

I read that yesterday and believe every bit of it.

Russia has also hinted to as much when saying ‘if the heavy weapons shipments continue then ‘decision making centers’ will be struck’. Not an exact quote but the jist of it anyway.

Kiev has been spared so far but I believe that will soon change as we send them more and more western weapons.

Waiting for the peanut gallery to arrive and tell us more garbage about how ‘Russia has already used up all their advanced weapons’ bullcrap…

Pretty bleak analysis for the Ukrainians. When your country is invaded, destroyed, and you really can’t strike back at the other countries heartland, the writing is probably on the wall. I wonder what the counsel to Biden was from the JCS, and Austin? Did they say it was a lost cause and he ignored them or did they tell him to dump billions into it thinking that would bring victory?

Due to very bad intelligence, Russia was using a very un Russian type tactics at the start of the war. They now have reverted to classic Russian/Soviet/Russian tactics.

The current style of fighting has been russian since the time of the Czars.

While I have no doubt that the Russians have the firepower to destroy most Ukrainian positions if given enough time, the article reads like straight Russian propaganda, without little connection to reality.

“holding ground” is fatal to any ground force

That’s just dumb. Like, seriously, holding ground is what ground forces do. Even in offensive missions, you take AND HOLD positions in preparation for follow-on operations. Sure, sitting still and letting the enemy just pound you into oblivion with artillery isn’t the best strategy, but I can’t say I’ve seen a ton of that. The reemergence of trench warfare and a moonscape isn’t a sign of immediate Ukrainian collapse; rather it indicates that the Russian drive has lost its energy, and things are bogging down just as they did in 2014. (and 1914 for that matter)

Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them.

Unless the evil Western media has been able to cover up A LOT of Russian gains recently, Odessa is in no danger of falling any time soon, and the Ukrainians have made more recent gains near Kharkov than the Russians have. Even the Lysychansk pocket is still open, despite repeated claims of it soon to be a cauldron. While I’m sure the propagandists will ignore this, for everyone else, you can keep apprised of current events and where they are happening thanks to the live conflict map.

https://liveuamap.com/

There has been little change in recent weeks, and that’s is backed up by pretty much every source I have found that isn’t spouting blatant propaganda.

Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors. The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

I figured this bit was worth quoting, just for how ludicrous it sounds. I’m no fan of Biden; the sooner he’s out of the White House and into a nursing home, the better. But this is just stupid. Ukraine is the base to threaten Moscow? The US is dragging the Baltic States and Poland along in our never-ending quest to attack Russia? Idiotic, but hardly surprising for someone who has been a Russian shill for years. Good to know he’s an objective, an honest statesman who just happens to have been against NATO intervention in Kosovo, Russian annexation of the Donbas in 2014, and thinks the Russians have been “too gentle.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor#Views

  1. Biden is not making any important decisions. Other people make the decisions and tell him what they are. Some of his off-the-cuff remarks indicate that despite his dementia he is well aware that he’s not really president and not really in charge. If he hadn’t been a sleazebag his entire adult life I would feel sorry for him.

  2. The goal was never to save Ukraine. The goal was to harm Russia as much as possible, in the hopes of making it another NWO/Globalist client state. Some people may have thought this was achievable, others didn’t care because they wanted economic disruption for other aspects of the “Great Reset” plan.

The war went so badly for the Russians at the start that now that the Ukrainians aren’t “balls in their face dunking” on them the Pro-Russians will start doomsaying again. It’s going to be a slog but the Ukrainians will win.

I am curious what will happen when the price of oil collapses during the recession.

Every former Eastern Bloc country has a common disdain for Russia because the memories from USSR are still fresh. No one wants to return to that. Growing up, I had relatives always talking about how life was under Russian control. Some of the stuff they did was so sick you never even saw it in movies.

The “NWO/Globohomo’s are taking over the world and Putin is the only one that can stop it” argument is just as ridiculous as lizard people and moon Nazis.

Nothing is black and white, and there’s always going to be some degree of corruption in every government. But the countries in eastern Europe are sovereign today and have no desire to going back to being under Russian control. Like mentioned above, Biden isn’t “dragging” them into anything, they’re seeing right in front of them that another sovereign country is being invaded. And have every reason to believe that they are next.

Interesting read. Thank you. I found especially interesting links in the article which extensively document glorification of Nazi collaborators and holocaust perpetrators in present-day Ukraine.

I obviously don’t know how accurate his reports are, but Seth Harp (investigative reporter and Iraq Vet) paints a picture I’ve suspected a long time ago:
https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1519849084286386177?cxt=HHwWgoC-0ZGsy5cqAAAA

https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1527395732399038465?cxt=HHwWgoC90e-Us7IqAAAA

This clearly shows any article which has “according to Ukrainian sources/officials” can not be trusted.

NATO is a sham, and we will watch as the outliers are picked off one by one because cold feet dominate NATO.
It is in Europe’s interest to help Ukraine as it was Crimea ect, but they are scared and flooded with the detritus
from our wars in the middle east.

NATO was a sham. I believe they are born again after what’s happened to Ukraine.

Then there’s this thread: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?236325-State-Department-warns-Russia-Attack-on-Lithuania-is-attack-on-US&p=3040228#post3040228

I do not want to see any NATO country get attacked by Russia to prove/disprove what the US or any other NATO country will/won’t do.

What makes you so confident in betting against NATO?

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Can’t and wont try to answer for him but have a question for YOU -

WHEN has the US ever fought an opponent that was a ‘near peer’? Someone that had the ability to say nuke our asses if they though they were about to lose bigly???

We fought near peers in both WWI and WWII… the difference is the nukes. But we have them too so it’s back to the Cold War question of whether or not you can destroy your opponent completely without them also doing the same to you. Not many options around that.

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If NATO really wanted to ‘help’ Ukraine they would get on in there and fight side by side with them but… That is not about to happen and everyone knows it.

Eventually Ukraine is going to run out of cannon fodder OR piss off Russia to the point where Russia starts flattening places like Kiev (Russia calls these places ‘decision making centers’ or some crap like that). When either happens - Zelenski is going to cry uncle and make peace.

While we wait on that eventual outcome - The sanctions are and have proven to be a colossal failure and done more to harm the NATO countries participating in them than they have Russia. Give it a little more time and see how long it takes before their people start to get pissy and complain about the higher and higher costs THEY are having to pay (food, fuel, etc.) for the Russia sanctions while the Russians simply redistribute those sanctioned products to ‘friendly’ countries that said NO to those sanctions and continue on as they always have. In some cases forming even greater / stronger alliances with other potential adversaries of ours (China, Iran, India, etc.)…

Cut them off from the SWIFT payment system to cripple them and what happens? They find a different way to make payments using a different system and move right along. Both Russia and the other country they are trading with just got stronger as now they are settling their debts in a new way that can’t be ‘sanctioned’ at will by the west.

Consider the way the energy products formerly moved and compare to how those same products are being moved around currently (and what direction they will be going in the future). A year ago Russia did not sell a lot of oil to India or China. There was very little in the way of infrastructure to support moving a lot of energy products to those places because it was not needed. Fewer ships, fewer or no pipelines, etc.

Now? They are selling the crap out of energy products to India and China. Massive increases in volumes. That ‘small’ gas pipeline to China project they were working on just got moved to the front of the line as far as where the investment money is headed. Pretty sure the same will happen with where they invest with respect to getting oil to India. Where the infrastructure may not have been there a year ago - It WILL be there a year from now.

Who just got stronger there?

We just pushed them to develop closer ties with countries that refuse to play by our ‘rules’ and made our ‘rules’ less effective going forward.

Along those same lines not even all of the NATO countries are ‘participating’ in our sanction program. Turkey is a good example here. They are not only in NATO and refusing to go along with our sanction crap here - They also refuse to follow our dictats on what weapons they ‘should’ or ‘should not’ be buying and thumbed their noses when we threatened to sanction THEM over their Russian S400 air defense purchases. They give give not half a shit what we (the USA) or NATO try to tell them to do under the threat of any sanctions. They do what they please (and what they deem is best for them) regardless…

Because of the ‘sanctions’, McDonalds pulled out of Russia. Now instead of the golden arches there is a different ‘M’ logo in a different color and someone else is selling the same exact crap food and raking in the profit. Same exact food just a different name of the store front. Who lost out here? The people in Russia buying those burgers (that are still buying them) or the American company ‘McDonalds’ that cashed in their chips and pulled out?

McDonalds is going to be crying about all that money they are not making now long before any Russian starts crying because the ‘M’ is a different color…

Agree.

It appears the Russian’s T-62M1’s are finally making their debut on the southern front. I wonder why they are deploying these tanks?

Russia is fighting an existential war, and the west is fighting to bring buttsex, international mercantilism and “diversity” to every place that didn’t ask for it. Who’s in charge of Afghanistan?

//youtu.be/nkUOACGtGfA

Do you have any idea what else has been happening in NATO countries for months now? Estonia and Lithuania have been distancing themselves from and preparing to fight the Russians again for generations, just like South Korea. Their memories are not so short.

There’s a lot of bullshit wokeism going on but there are a lot of other things too. I don’t know how much the news is publishing foreign involvement in Ukraine but many of those countries are quite invested and becoming more so every week.

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