I’m a father of a 27 yr old dauter and 16 yr old son. I have two grandboys 7 and 4 with a granddaughter due in July. I work hard, pay my taxes and obey the law. The last thing I ever want to see is this country embroiled in another revolution. As an NRA member and a very conservative registered Independent who generally votes Republican. I get it that we need to get out there and vote. You have no reason to gripe if you don’t. Problem is, our choices have become so limited. We are inundated by proffessional self serving polititians bent on the power of office. Honestly, the majority of politicians out there should be brought to trial on treason charges…Oh that’s right, they are immune. We’re selling our country to foriegn investors and this whole oil and Iraq thing is a joke, except to those who have lost loved ones. When do we take it back? without the second ammendment the others are worthless. You and I know where this is going. I read a quote from Edward Abbey from 1979. “Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government – and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws.” I’m not afraid to die for the USA or the constitution. Have we become a country of passive television addicted followers? Please explain why these feelings are wrong. And what effective methods you recomend to reinstate our country. We are a mere 300 million But we lead in every technological advance the world knows. Am I to lay down my arms and accept the liberal view of a one world economic utopia? My heart tells me we better get our act together or it’s game over! :mad:
This has been a point of conversation a lot here recently, amongst many an intelligent individual. That said, no one has come up with one legit way to get the job done. Phony, disillusioned politicians are a mainstay here for some damn reason, and I for one lost my magic “wave and make them go away” stick somewhere between the couch cushions. :mad:
Sadly, sometimes one must hit bottom before one can start to climb to the top.
A good start to reinstate our country is to teach those grandchildren what you believe in, what else is there. I fear for my own kids lives. To much control will only throw our country into peril if you ask me. Regulate and punish the bad guys not the good guys who have done nothing wrong.
To whom it may concern;
I was driving home from work the other day and heard a commercial on the radio for a new car with a certain “on” board computer system you can get as an option to send you vehicle diagnostic reports on your vehicles status via E-mail, oil change, trans fluid change and who knows what else… Are you kidding me??! OH! and you have to pay for this service. Why not just get out, pop the hood and check it yourself. This society of pay $100 to save 10 minute makes me ill. I dont know, isnt that just lazyness. The song playing in the background of the commercial said " I cant stop thinking about it" and I was thinking I couldnt stop thinking about how rediculous it sounded.
…Or maybe Im just over reacting or missing something.
I dont really know if this has anything to do with this thread. I just hope this isnt the direction of our society.
Sorry if I offended anyone, just ranting.
For those of you that are interested I have McCain’s official position paper. PM me and I can email it to you. There is a section on gun rights that’s a world away from either of the dems…
Phony disillusioned politicians are a mainstay of politics…everywhere. A virtuous society keeps them in check. As our nation has lost its republican virtue, preferring to indulge its whims rather than its duty, the politicians have lost that check.
Political interest serves itself. Accept it and work within a system that is built around this precept. This is the brilliance of our constitution. It doesn’t aspire to idealistic reverie to keep men in check, but rather uses ambition against itself.
If this system has broken down it’s because we’ve tampered far too often with its structure.
Have we become a country of passive television addicted followers?
The answer to that is unfortunately yes and that is part of the problem…in a recent local election two of my neighbors chose to stay at home and not get out to vote (it only took me about 15 minutes to leave the house and have been at city hall to vote and be back in my car on the way home). I imagine they were both at home watching TV
Two of the biggest problems were have (as a country) are Living in Denial and Instant Gradification.
Many of our other problems can be stemmed back to these two.
Ex. living in denial about how much of your paycheck goes to support those who sit around on thier porch drinking all day and slinging dope. If the average Joe had to sit down every week and write the IRS out a check for the amount of taxes that are taken out of his check, he’d flip out. Especially if he got an itemized bill, showing that exactly X amount of dollars are going to welfare, and Y amount are going to making bombs. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem at all paying to have bombs made, as I perfer my tax money go to support our troops; but the welfare part kills me.
Ex. Instant Gradification, too many people, especially the corporate excutives are looking out for their own pocket books, and not working for a productive future for the company or the country. Selling out to foreign countries, or hiring illegal immigrants right now, so they can have more money right now is killing our industry and workforce.
Rant off.
Technically Saddam was voted for…casting a ballot isnt always the right solution
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
There are no “Americans” anymore. We’ve lost our national and cultural identity. We have no sense of national unity, we only have two sides that refuse to live together.
The BEST we can hope for is a peaceful split of the country into two countries - one a socialist nanny state that submits to the will of the UN and the other hopefully something folks like most of us would be proud to live in.
I fear for my children’s future. It’s bad enough when I have to de-program my 8 years old of the liberal tripe they preace in his 2nd grade class.
“Yes son, write THIS … but BELIEVE this …”
Sad to have to do that, I fear visits from Social Services these days if I don’t actively “celebrate” what the school tells my son to celebrate.
You, sir, are a terrorist. In fact, you’re as bad as this man, who was found to be exposing innocent Boy Scouts to the Constititution.
http://www.google.com/search?q=terrorism+bible+college+Boy+Scouts+constitution
ETA: I’m looking for a confirmation of that story by a more mainstream organization. If anybody sees one, please post it. In the mean time, take this with a grain of salt.
Speaking about leaches of society, there is a house across the street, traffic coming and going all hours. police have raided this house on numerous occasion and yet they are usually back at it the same day.Small children, teens and adult living there. They have several dogs, untagged that roam relatively freely. The pit and rot got ahold of my beagle last night, fortunately I got to her before they killed her but she is tore up pretty bad…neck bite wounds. I pulled the rot off of her and threw the dog across the yard the pit jumped as the owner came running across the street screaming at me for throwing his dog! Did I mention my little beagle was on a leash? At this point he commanded both dogs to kill…kill me and my dog! I got a little tore up once again prying his dog off of mine. My wife, bless her heart was standing off the pit and dialing 911. 45 minutes later the police arrived. The guy had taken his dogs and drove away with them. I filed a report while trying to stop the bleeding on my dog and my arm. Then I asked the question. Would I have been in my rights to shoot the attacking dog? He explained that I could face a felony cruelty to animal charges if I killed the dog for attacking my dog! I asked if this applies to K9 units as well and his answer was no. You think I was irate? He did add I would be justified using deadly force if the dog was attacking me. Oh no shit? So I took Friday off and went to the vet. Abby will be fine though her spirit is low. Now I have to live in fear of retaliation. This doesn’t really go with the theme of my original post but is another example of how we are losing control of our lives and laws that work in favor of scum. I am CCW licensed and hope to never have to use deadly force on man or beast…well not counting game…These same dogs have chased my wife and I off our front porch on previous evenings. I guess and could stand my ground and take a leg bite before dispatching the hounds but it’s not the dogs fault. They are constantly training them to fight over there. I certainly hope the law does it’s job soon!:rolleyes:
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ter·ror·ist Audio Help /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-er-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
[Origin: 1785–95; terror + -ist; cf. F terroriste]
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pa·tri·ot Audio Help /ˈpeɪtriət, -ˌɒt or, especially Brit., ˈpætriət/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-tree-uht, -ot or, especially Brit., pa-tree-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
3. (initial capital letter) Military. a U.S. Army antiaircraft missile with a range of 37 mi. (60 km) and a 200-lb. (90 kg) warhead, launched from a tracked vehicle with radar and computer guidance and fire control.
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I’m confused? This IS The United States of America isn’t it? Press 1 for terrorist…press 2 for patriot… Now I’ve got to watch over my shoulder for my druggy neighbors as well as the secret service? So what happened to the first ammendment?
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Correct, but it is a great example of the apathy that plagues our country
Thanks man, I know I got off topic with the dog incident but it is another example of the erosion of society. The officer told me that animal control will be called to the house as the dogs were/are not tagged and he’ll need proof of vacination. Of course I’ve seen animal control over there before and they did nothing but put the dogs in the yard. I’m in Oklahoma and after a lengthy talk with the responding officer I was left somewhat disillutioned. I’ll read up on the subject but at this point I’m just glad my dog is alive and my wounds are minor. It’s only a matter of time before these people go down.
HUH. I dont know whether to be pissed off by that remark or just say “OK”. I guess I dont get what your trying to say…
Look up here…I started this thread and I take no offense to the term as the poster knows I’m no terrorist. He refers to a faction of our country that would make such a claim due to this liberal foolishness going on. We all see the agenda of these peoiple though it makes no sense to any one with the gift of common sense or in possession of some twisted desire to control us by forcing their lack of morality on us. Take the gay and lesbian movement for example and the recent court rulings in California regarding such unions. Prolife or abortion is another hot topic…bickering back and forth over when an embryo is considered a life. I have no right to tell another person how to live or what decision to make with their own body but this country was established with a moral standard and our freedom of expression has been used to a twisted extreme. But then I think, we moved here and practically commited racial genocide against the native American Indian to establish this country. Please somebody take this damned soap box away…these feelings, like slavery only cause bad feelings…yeah we fucked up in the past as has every generation back to Adam. Perhaps we really are intelligent animals!:mad:
Thread drift…
Claims of genocide against the Indians have been historically overblown. I’m not saying that the conquest was benign, but genocide is a crime of intent, not of result. There was never a policy of extermination on a government level.
Moreover I’d bet most Americans have “native” blood running through their veins if their families have been here longer than a century. I didn’t even know I had any until my sisters and I had DNA tests done. I thought I was German and Scotch-Irish.
Cultural assimilation is different than racial genocide. There is an excellent book called The Name of War by Jill LePore that deals with notions of Native v. American identity in war.
Back on topic…
I think most people are intelligent animals and need laws to hold them in check. There are citizens however that understand their duty to society and seek to transcend their baser instincts. There will always be tension between those two groups.
“All boys love liberty, till experience convinces them they are not so fit to govern themselves as they imagined.” - Samuel Johnson
The intent was that you’d be pissed off at the tyrants described in that article I referenced.
Thank you for that. You are absolutley correct on all points. As a matter of fact we must be related cause I have American Indian,german,and Irish in my blood as well!
Seriously though, you are correct the term “Genocide” was too strong a word. Human history is a tapestry of expansion and conquering for land. As for that animal instinct we all possess, We have , over the centuries, created a very thin veneer we call civilization. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly it crumbles in some circumstances and yet how fast we are to respond to the needs of people following some disaster.
As for the thread, I really would like to keep our bill of rights intact including the 2nd ammendment. I can only encourage everyone to vote and for those voters, encourage your friends to vote. and when gift time comes around, give an NRA membership…you know just that simple act would at least double membership as we all know somebody with a birthday or something coming up. And by all means, give it as a gift to your liberal friends!