What's the consenses 2 or 4 MOA Dot

Tactical Gear Optics & Mounts
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As far as the Aimpoint ML3 goes which is the better dot to get the 2 or 4MOA ???

I’m currently using the ML2 with a 4MOA. But I’m thinking of upgrading to the ML2. *** Thank for the help.

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Many feel that the 2 moa gives more options; essentially you can give yourself a 4 moa if you just up the intensity of the dot.

An AR can certainly take advantage of the better precision that 2 moa offers…

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My thinking is that if you’re going to use the 3x magnifier then go with the 2 MOA, if you’re going to run it alone, go with 4 MOA.

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I have a 2 MOA C3 and a 4 MOA C3 (like ML3 but only good to 5m submerged). Just got a 3X Aimpoint and have to agree with Rob. The 4 MOA is what I am used to; however, the 3X magnifier needs the 2 MOA dot.

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2moa M3 here. You can make a small dot bigger, but not the other way around.

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FYI regarding Aimpoint sights and using the Aimpoint 3X magnifier. The 3X does not magnify the size of the dot per se. When the 3X magnifies the target/threat the dot is magnified in relation to the target/threat. Thus the size of the dot stays the same in relation to the target/threat. That all said when magnifying a 4 MOA Aimpoint sight you now see more of the target/threat and realize you can shoot more precisely thus the preference for the 2 MOA. My preference is for the 2 MOA for all applications, because if I need a larger dot for CQB I dial up the intensity and I can still dial it down for longer ranges.

However, 4 MOA is more than adequate for target/threat engagement out to 300Ms and is good for range estimations. 4 MOA = 4" circle on target/threat at 100Ms. 4 MOA = 8" circle on target/threat at 200Ms (avg. human head is 9" in circumference). 4 MOA = 12" circle on target/threat at 300Ms (avg. human chest is 19" in width).

Also, Magnification or NV placed behind any Red Dot Sight is the HIGHLY recommended preference. When you place magnification or NV (even the UNS) in front of any Red Dot Sight or ACOG you will get a shift in Zero.

S/F

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2MOA.

C4

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Hey, What are you guys thinking about this new red dot with a variable sized dot from 1 to ~10MOA??? Millet.

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I don’t know anything about it. You are the first person I’ve heard talking about it. I’m sure the Shot Show will reveal a lot of new things for us to blow all our money on. For now, it’s hurry up & wait.

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I have been debating switching out to a 2 moa dot myself. I’ve been reading Kyle Lamb’s new book, and he seems to state a preference for a smaller dot, for longer shots. I’m not going to make my decision based on this alone, but it is something to think about. Since most of my training with an M4 using my own equipment has been about 125m and closer, I don’t have the experience yet to make a great assessment. I don’t plan on using a 3x magnifier. I already have a Aimpoint M2 with Larue mount and really like it, but would it be better to go with the 2 moa dot on an M4 or M3 for the longer range shots? Just looking for some more opinions.

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Blake,
The 2 MOA is a definitely a good choice if you are looking for a new Aimpoint to spend your deployment money on when you return.

S/F

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My personal preference is for a 2 MOA dot, but that is from me trying out several different optics and sizes of dot.

I found that when the intensity is correctly set I pick-up the dot at the same speed regardless of size, including the EOTech. This is not the same for everyone though. Your individual ability to properly present the weapon to target and ability to achieve consistent head placement are huge factors on the aiming process. I spent a lot of time and ammo with iron sights from 0 to 600 meters, so my presentation skill is ingrained to rapidly align my iron sights without conscious effort, which has carried over into my use of low-power magnified and non-magnified optics.

I think that you would be best served by trying both of them out, side by side on identical weapons. But that’s just me, and I personally agree with most of what has already been posted here.