This is going to be my first AR15 and i have been wanting Noveske N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16".
Online MSRP is $2135.00
Iam from WA and i can buy it from OR to avoid tax.
However, Only Noveske dealer close to my house is just one. (one that they recommend).
Will store able to get cheaper price or more than msrp? or should i order online?
before i call, i want to know if anybody done this way
Noveske allows authorized retailers to sell at about $50 less than their MRSP, which is the price you pay from buying from them. It makes no sense to buy in-state, as you’ll save $50 only to spend ~$100 (provided your sales tax is around 6.5%).
If it was me personally, I’d just eat the $50 and buy directly from Noveske, knowing the shipping would take a day or two at most. I’ve already purchased two rifles directly from Noveske and everything went fine.
I had no clue how to order it online–how do I send it to my local ffl? Do I have my local ffl order it for me? Do I order it and just ship it there and give them the heads up?
So I found a local Noveske retailer from the site, called him up, and told him what I wanted. And if you can save $50 that way, go for it.
Noveske knows who they are, they know who Noveske is, and if you’re already shelling out $2k for a rifle, might as well cut out the complication and the hassle.
Worst case, you pay the price on the website. I seriously doubt you’re going to find it anywhere cheaper.
i guess i will buy from on-line then. there is a good gun shop that is 20mins away from my house.
now i need to wait till it’s in-stock.
btw: on their upgrade parts, What does Geissele SSA Trigger do? and how is the trigger that comes with the gun?
The SSA is a two-stage trigger (first google hit: http://www.fulton-armory.com/2stage.htm). My personal preference is for a 2-stage, but there are folks out there like single-stage triggers. The factory trigger felt just fine to me, but I’m used to a 2-stage so it just felt ‘funny’ by comparison. I’m someone who has only ever shot single-stage would think it feels fine.
From my understanding:
There’s plenty of debate about match-grade and two-stage triggers and how reliable they are. The idea is that the fine-tuning or adjustability involved in those triggers makes an ND a little easier (if there’s a super-light trigger pull) or they’re a tiny bit less reliable than single-stages–i.e. if they’re adjustable, they might loosen over time and become even lighter. That’s only super important if you’re deploying your rifle where you need it to be at 100% for 100% of the time–LE, MIL, SHTF, etc.
General consensus seems to be that the Geissele SSA is one of the few two-stage triggers out there which doesn’t make that trade-off and is just as rock-solid and bomb-proof as a single-stage. It’s only a few bucks more to buy it separate and the installation is pretty straightforward as long as you’re comfortable disassembling your gun (which, at the very least, will give you a nice education). So if you can find it in stock (recently bought mine online at Blackheart International–everywhere else was out), you might want to buy it separate, install it, and if you don’t like it, put the factory trigger back in and sell the Geissele.
If you buy online and have it shipped to an FFL (individual or store) you need to find out how much that FFL charges for the service. It can be anywhere from a modest flat fee to a significant percentage of the purchase price.
just one more question, if i ship to WA, will they charge me a tax? no, right?
Here, if I pay the vendor directly (as in not having the FFL dealer pay), there is no sales tax. Check with your local FFL guy on this, however.
Oregon doesn’t have a state sales tax, right?
that is correct.
sorry for confusion. i was asking what if i ship to WA gun shop. do they still charge tax? even i paid/brought from on-line?
It’s not always a simple answer, and varies state to state. Here in FL, you are supposed to pay sales tax on online out of state purchases, but the burden is on you, and honestly no one actually pays it. I guess if they found out about it, they could make you pay.
Rainier Arms is a great vendor of Noveske, and they sell below the MSRP, and have cheap flat rate shipping. But they are in WA, so I am sure they would charge you taxes. Maybe you can pick up directly from them? Save the shipping and FFL transfer…
The rule of thumb is that if it’s bought online and your billing information is from another state, there’s no sales tax involved. If it’s bought online from a store IN your state and billed to you (i.e. your card/billing address) IN your state, you pay sales tax. For example, I purchased some computer parts from newegg.com. The order was shipped from Memphis, TN (same state as me), so I payed a hefty $200 in sales tax. I purchased my Noveske rifle directly from Noveske in OR and, since it’s not the same state as my billing information, I didn’t pay sales tax.
Obviously there are some exceptions and some online vendors charge sales tax if you’re from X state (even if they aren’t), but those are individual cases. If it’s that big of a concern for you and you don’t want to trust the “rule,” just give the vendor a call - I’m sure they’d be happy to answer your questions for you.
Also, be aware that most states have a mandatory tax clause stating that you have a legal obligation to report all out-of-state purchases when you do your yearly taxes so that you can pay YOUR state the sales tax you didn’t pay when you purchased your merchandise out of state. Virtually no one adheres to this rule, but just be aware of it.
My FFL holder cuts me a deal to help offset sales tax and shipping if I buy directly from him, effectively making it a wash whether I buy from him or Noveske. Otherwise, if I buy a gun online and do the transfer through him, all I pay is a transfer fee plus whatever the gun costs and shipping.
Just CALL Noveske, order it and pay for it directly with them, and they will ship it to your FFL.
Your final fees should be:
MSRP with Noveske
$15 shipping
FFL Fee + NICS (Some places it’s all one flat fee - like $25.00)
So if MSRP + $40 is less than the local price + tax + NICS , then buying direct from Noveske is the better deal.
Also, you will have it the next day.
I bought mine directly from Noveske. I called 'em up and paid with a CC. My FFL had it the next morning
I’m from WA and have purchased all of my ARs online.
There are two reasons for this: 1, most of my local shops don’t carry what I want or try to convince me that the Oly or DPMS on the wall is just as good as the DDM4 or KAC I am shopping for, or 2, they are so absurdly overpriced I’d be a moron to buy from them (how does $2400 for a DDM4 sound?).
Sale taxes in WA are 8.5-9.5%, so figure 10% to make the math easy. If you buy locally you are at Price of Rifle + 10% tax = out the door price.
Shipping a rifle is usually $25-50. Transfer fees are about $30-35 locally. So if you buy on line, you are Price of Rifle + $25 shipping + $30 transfer = out the door price. You skip the tax if you buy from an out of state vendor, and if the vendor does not have a facility or store in WA. G&R tactical, SGCUSA, Clyde Armory, etc are all tax free in WA state.
Thanks for the good info’s guys.
looks like iam gonna order it from Online. save tax and gas money:D
I too am from Washington state and ordered my AR-15 online. I did not pay sales tax on the purchase. I had to have it shipped to the FFL near my house though. Once you make the purchase online, you will have to call your FFL and have them fax their FFL License to the company you bought your firearm from. The firearm will then be shipped to the FFL and you pick it up from there. That is when you have to pay the FFL transfer fee, which in my case was $25 + tax which totaled to $27.50. This transfer fee varies so make sure you call the FFL, for example, one storefront charges $50 transfer fee for firearms they do not stock, $100 for firearms they do sell. So call around and find the most reasonable one in your area. HTH.
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