What the hell, Federal?!

Firing my 226 40’s recently and about to wrap it up.

The last thing im going to fire is 5 rds of my carry ammo, HST LE 165 GR. On round 3 or 4 it goes, “pfft!” Instead of “Bang!”

I stop. Remove mag, eject fired case, check bore, then continue. The case was sooty. Low powder or contaminated powder i guess.

I’ve bought two 200 rd cases on this. The first case many rounds (25?) With creases in the case at the bullet base. I tried to find them all & used them for practice. I was concerned the case could split & didn’t want to reload those.

Im not sure if this round was the newer or older case. I can check the production code on the box, though.

Can’t even trust recent production LE JHP ammo these days.

That’s a little disconcerting. I’ve never had an issue with duty/defensive ammo. I’ve shot 30 year old Federal 9BPLE with no problems. One time I had a couple of squibs with Federal.22lr plinking ammo so I emailed them about it. They sent me a label to return it and a coupon for a fresh case.

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Here is the number from the box:

B093Q42B094U51. Federal HST .40 LE 165 gr. Nickel cases, blue primer sealant.

I’ve chronographed many and they average about 1065 fps from a 4 inch standard rifling barrel.

I should contact them. I’ve got 9 more full 50 rd boxes of it. Same batch.

Seems weird to have switch from HST due to low quality. I have some 165 gr Gold Dots product 53970. That’s the full power stuff, right?

I kept the misfire case. It has a few large, yellow granuals in it, stuck to the inside wall. Those shouldn’t be there.

So the round cleared the bore?

165 Ranger T and 165 Gold Dots are my carry ammo. I do have a mag of HST from a retired LE guy though.

Yes it did.

I thought i saw in hit the berm 4 ft low, there was almost no recoil, and didn’t remember the slide moving or case ejecting.

It had not, case was in chamber. I poked a chamber flag longer than the barrel through to be sure it was clear. Case was whole, sooty, a few large grains of powder stuck inside to the wall.

I fired about 15 more of that box with no problems, but, dunno if that was one bad load out of a 100k or if there are more than that.

IIRC the 2 200 rd cases I’d bought were made of two, overlapping batches. Much more of one than the other. Obviously ive fired all of the other. The one remaining i know fired a few boxes of already without a problem except for some creased cases.

A reminder to practice malfunction drills.

Interesting. I’ve been getting this kind of crap in my 38 spl handloads a lot lately. No other calibers.

I’d love to know what caused every single one of them.

Low powder volume? I like Titegroup in .38 Colt Long & Special. HP38, too.

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Exactly. I’m switching to heavy (148 gr) wadcutters and slower powder.

I load .357 mag & .38 Colt Long.

They are easier to tell apart than .357 vs .38 Spl. cases, and my chrono shows lower spreads with the Longs.

My .38 Spl. cases have been resting since.

I’m just going to frame this from my point of view. I manage construction projects. Often several at a time, sometimes spanning multiple sites and multiple states. I and my staff try very hard to produce quality products.

If one of my customers does not receive the quality they expected and specified I want to know. I will look into it, get to the bottom of it, and correct the issue both for that client and going forward.

Of course if they don’t tell me, I may not discover it on my own. At least not right away. Which helps no one. Let Federal know about your experience. Sooner is always better.

If they (or me in my example) tell you to pound sand, well you know whom not to do business with in the future.

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Complaint sent to Federal. I’ll let y’all know if they respond.

Meanwhile I’ll fire more of it and some 165 gr LE Gold Dots i have & switch my carry ammo to that, possibly.

I’ve got one box of Underwood 155 gr XTP left. I haven’t fired it from these 226’s but if i like it I’ll order more when it returns to stock.
That stuff chronographed around 1275 fps from 4" M&P’s IIRC.

Reporting back that communication with Federal has been excellent and they are handling it to my satisfaction.

Nice!

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That’s good. Probably never be able to know for sure what the cause was.

Good to hear that. Federal has been my go to duty/defense ammo for 30+ years and I still feel confident carrying it.

Dang! Winchester Silvertip this time.

Hard primer.

Fired close to a hundred various .45 including my reloads recently from my M&P 2.0 full size. I’ve fired several boxes of the new Silvertip, too.

Got a click instead of a bang. Primer had what looked like a fine strike. Hit it again and it fired fine.

Fired about another 75 rnds of various ammo & didn’t have other problems.

My instinct was to rack the slide but for safety fought the reflex & waited.

Double-strike capability would have been nice.

So, different pistol this time? The only center fire pistol misfires that I can remember is three rounds of Norma 9mm fmj. That was my first and last experience with that ammo brand.

I generally do not assume a light primer strike is the primer cup. Although possibly they had a single cup thicker than every other one, the more likely explanation is debris in the gun, or a problem with the gun.

We used to get a bunch of light strikes with the Sig P220, subsequent DA trigger pulls wouldn’t help.

Then we put the round into a 1911, and Bango!

Correction!

Different gun and cartridge. M&P 2.0 .45.

I think this was its first malfunction of any type in its @5k round life. Recoil spring still tests fine.

Looked like a good primer strike. I suppose it’s possible the slide was only 99% forward because when i almost remember seeing the slide move a hair when it went “click”.