So as long as we’re wearing our tinfoil, something about the woman who got shot isn’t adding up. Anyone with any medical training whatsoever would have immediately cut off the backpack and everything and started trying to find and plug holes. And when she lost consciousness and stopped breathing, they would NOT have simply said oh well she’s dead. **** NO!!! They would have started doing CPR. That guy claiming to be a medic was obviously NOTHING of the kind, and all those cops should have had enough medical training to recognize he was killing her and step in and stop him. That was the most ludicrous shit show I’ve ever seen. Either he actually had medical training and he’s guilty of gross negligence, or he had zero medical training and he’s guilty of impersonating a medical professional. She obviously didn’t lose enough blood for that to kill her, so it’s probably highly likely she died of airway loss, which would have been easily preventable by doing any of several things they failed to but should have done as a matter of reflex.
There is a word for this sort of thing: Set-up. AKA: Being Clintoned.
Her and the officer that is the subject of this thread had to die to make it look like the “violent attack on the capital”, the “insurrection”, the “domestic terrorists that wanted to kill everyone” was all a really really bad deal. Now they can condemn Trump and anyone who supported him as violent criminals. That’s YOU we are talking about in case you didn’t know it, you violent, racist, criminal, coup attempting, legitimate government over throwing, domestic terrorist!
That’s an amazing number of people having strokes and infarcts for a relatively small group of people compared to other huge rallies and riots. Hmmmm.
I had read that the fatality rate was less than half the general population. You get crowds that big together, people are bound to die of natural causes. I get that the very ill don’t go to rallies, but then trying to pump up “death count” of people dying of natural causes is amazing.
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I can’t help but notice that the left/media give zero s#!ts about police suicide until the can try to tie it to “right wing insurrection”.
Other than the one lady shot, they all died of non violent causes it appears. But I don’t recall any such rallies that went south in recent memory where that many people fell over and died. Are Trump supporters more unhealthy than other rally attending population? It’s all very weird.
Weren’t there some suicides, too?
I think they happen and aren’t spoken of. I have been to political rallies in the past where people fell out and they were much much smaller than what happened at the Capitol. There was a rally in my town recently, maybe 4,000 people which a physician I work with rendered aide to a person that fell out. If it weren’t for him being involved, I’d never have heard about it. When you get up in the hundreds of thousands and of the demographics that the typical Trump people are, I think it’s inevitable. Just so happens the media can use those numbers this time to deceive the public in support of their evil agenda.
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I am attempting to be respectful and serious in my tone, but the numbers seem plausible if not artificially low to me as a former EMT and planning participant for dozens of large events.
I gather you do not have much experience in the pre-hospital care/EMS environment. Generally I have worked under the assumption of one heart attack transport an hour for every 15000 persons at large events. If it a hot day, various services may have 10 to 1 heat illnesses to all other medical causes. There are various charts and I recall a federal EMS support planning course dedicated to this many moons ago. That is why they have medical staff onsite at large events, to manage potential emerging medical issues when any large number of people gather. Good example being the Boston Marathon Bombing, which had a volunteer medical tent near the finish line to triage and treat ill persons attending the race without taxing local EMS resources.
One of my observations of the Jan 6 crowd makeup from the contemporary photos and videos of the Rally Crowd was the low amount of attributed deaths. There were a lot of older folks in that crowd, lots overweight/out of shape and a few that had hallmarks of sustained illegal drug use - many of whom were fired up emotionally. I might be wrong in all my glancing assessments of the crowd, but it is getting into Lizard People territory to try to infer questionable numbers on the random chance deaths. YMMV.
I didn’t read of any myself.
That makes sense and likely.
For dehydration/heat exhaustion generally. The race used to go right by my house and had EMT pals working it on the city side, etc. Obviously a different population, and as above, perhaps just simply not reported. Would be an interesting study, if not already done, how many per thousand people at large rallies die from an infarct related death.
It just sounded unusually high to me.
Two cops punched their own tickets, days later. We’re said to have been at Capitol and therefore “continued fallout of the insurrection”. Not like they could have been kicked to the curb by the wife, or diagnosed with some evil death cancer, or any of the thousands of other reasons folks tap out over.
ETA: I also recall that some guy the fleebs were looking for in connection decided to tap out as well. Also days later.
I believe there were enough Antifa/BLM/Anarchists working in the crowd.
I believe these people were trained and staged in place that allowed them to derail some folks and amp up the tempo hoping it would go out of control.
I believe as a LEO, shooting through a door, or a window with the intent to kill is criminal.
I believe the people around the victim were actively working against a “Peaceful Protest” and were a part of a plan.
I believe Nancy Pelosi needes to answer some pretty tough questions and then be impeached and charged with treason. She Knew.
No intention to be a d-bag or to criticize Will, but there is real risk in these demonstrations/protests. We all love the First Amendment, but any big gathering of people is a potential disaster in the making. Whether Donald J Trump, BLM or Antifa, I do not think that risk calculus is often applied.
To Will’s specific questions, here are two scholarly works discussing patient presentation rates at mass gatherings:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15310046/
https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/yxvtqiwxmiusi8k7gi7q/full
Washington DC is considered the best in the US at large event management. While folks may debate that, I have had training from US Park Police and MPDC personnel on large event management. There is a good Obama Inaugural article detailing EMS issues.
[i] “Crews – that include six EMS task forces – handled 1,148 responses between 4 a.m. and 4 p.m. Personnel in first aid stations on the Mall treated 490 people, and transported 31.
Sen. Ted Kennedy was taken to Washington Hospital Center after suffering a seizure during the luncheon…
EMS crews were busy at the L’Enfant Plaza Metro station when several people required medical assistance after escalators broke down under the weight of the crowd. In addition to several suffering chest pains and difficulty breathing after climbing the stairs, others were complaining of heat issues, officials said.
A woman fell onto a Metro track near Gallery Place, but was not seriously injured.[/i]”
https://www.emsworld.com/news/10339793/crowds-cold-challenge-dc-responders-inauguration
Lots of other good debriefs on EMS World as well as resources on the HHS ASPR site - https://asprtracie.hhs.gov/technical-resources/85/mass-gatherings-special-events/0
Good intel, thanx! I was focused specifically on the route/manner of death in my Qs, and expect falls, dehydration, crush injuries, etc. But, also sounds like the numbers from this event not a major difference from other events of a similar nature. I will check out some of those sources you provided also.
And now it comes out that the plastic hand-cuffs weren’t brought to the Capitol to try to facilitate taking hostages, but rather they were govt plasticuffs that were left out and the protestors picked up to prevent their use. Pretty cool souvenir too…
Pretty much everything that we’ve been told about that day by the MSM is false. I don’t see why the Antifa angle is any different. Those were not TEA Party tactics.
I think the chances of a 9/11 style commission are slim to none based on what we already know. The DEms would rather this stew in the shadows, rather than get the light of truth destroying their narrative.
Having worked many special events, concerts, etc. I can tell you I’ve seen everything from heart attacks, strokes, rapes, overdoses, gunshots and stabbings, delivered a couple babies, and everything else you can imagine. It’s was just another two days in the ghetto, compressed into 8-12 hours.
Even car accidents needing extrication tools in the parking lot.
Concerts and special events are great training grounds for new paramedics.
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I think you’re wrong on this one. Pelosi and Schumer will push this issue because how dare the people make their voices heard?