So I’m tryin to find a good all around .223/.556 ammo at around 300 per 1k round case. I found my rifle likes 62 grain wolf fmj pretty well compared to other fmj wolf grains and brown bear 55 fmj. Id like to get brass but it’s so expensive. Federal is $300 for 500 rds of I think 55 or 62 grain fmj at one o local gun stores. I was looking at American eagle tactical bc I can get 200 rounds for around 80. What would you guys recommend for the best bang for your buck and be good and cheap enough for paper/steel shooting but also be sufficient enough in a shtf/home invasion situation? I see posts ab the expensive hornady tap and the like for home invasion but I don’t get it, a bullet is gonna stop a person no matter what or how it’s composed. Ik if i got shot im not gonna be thinkin damn, sure glad that wasnt a hornady tap… Plus I wanna have all my ammo the same so that ik how it shoots and it all shoots the same. And now lookin for mags tryin to see what’s what. I want a grab an go deal.
There is SS109 (Same as M855 armor piercing) for $259.99 for 1000 rounds. Plus S/H. That’s good for target shooting, but some places don’t like a steel core ammo. (Steel CORE, not CASE). But i don’t think it’s good for home defense, hunting, or as an “All Around” round.
If you don’t mind steel case ammo; then i recommend MFS. They have 62 grain SOFT POINT ammo for $239.99 for 1000 rounds. THAT INCLUDES SHIPPING!!! www.weaponsworld.com
I think it’s perfect “All Around” ammo. At $4.80 a box “shipped”, it’s cheap enough target ammo. At 62 grains and soft point, it’s excellent for hunting, coyotes, varmints, etc… As a soft point, it’s also a very good round for home defense. You say your rifle will shoot wolf; so this will work for you. If I could only have 1 ammo because of finances, it would be MFS 62 grain Soft Points or Silver bear 62 grain Soft Points. The only problem with Silver Bear, is it’s about $1 more per box. other than that, they are both great. Zinc coated cases. Look at the link I provided.
Widener’s has Prvi M193 @ $309/1000 and IMI M193 @ $389/1200. I’ve shot a lot of both, and they both work well. I think I like the IMI a bit better, though.
Besides steel cased ammo, these are the best deals going.
Scoby
M855 is not classified as armor piercing ammunition. If it were, I believe that it would be restricted.
If you do a search in the ammo section you will find plenty of discussion about ammo for training, practice, etc…
I really like Prvi Partizan
iraqguns; you are correct. M855 isn’t armor piercing. It’s simply steel core. Now; what would you use it for; other than penetrating through a car door or plinking? I don’t know.
But even if it was labeled “Armor Piercing” it wouldn’t be illegal or banned. I bought a few cans of M2 BALL ammo for my M1 Garand, directly from the CMP, and it is specifically marked on it: “AP” for armor piercing. It is Black Tipped ammo. So I know it’s not illegal or anything. It’s sold all the time. Now; how thick of steel will it go through? What depth is considered “ARMOR”. Hey, I gave up on following all that 10 years ago when i retired. It isn’t explosive tip or anything; but it is labeled as “Armor Piercing”. At least that’s how the Black Tip M2 Ball ammo is labeled.
i thought 5.56x45 was one of the calibers where armor piercing is allowed like 30-06
now for some questions does the 556 armor piercing funtion near as well ar a 30-06?
also how much do 1000 once fired brass cases generally sell for?
As I understand it, M855/SS109 is considered exempt along with M2AP, but other flavors of 5.56x45 AP would fall under 18 USC sec. 921(a)(17)
Scharch/Top Brass has fully processed mil brass for $120/1000
Surplus ammuition of certain types is exempt. Please read the laws federal and local otherwise I will have to charge you a legal consultation fee.
Ok I could not only be wrong but also possibly splitting hairs. That being said I believe the above statement, that I see all the time, is actually incorrect. M855 is not steel “core”. Yes it has a steel penetrator near the tip but it is a lead core bullet. IG or other experts please correct me if I’m wrong.
Just trying to make sure we maintain as correct info as possible for those who may find this thread with a search. If what I said above is incorrect I’ll go back and remove this post.
18 USC sec. 921(a)(17)
(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.
(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.
I’m not a lawyer, but as I read this, the SS109/M855 projectile would not be considered armor piercing and thus be exepmt from armor piercing ammunition sale/possession/use regulations due to the fact that its core is not composed entirely of steel. I also believe the M2AP was exempted because it was determined to be used “primarily for sporting purposes” (i.e. service rifle matches)
Yea that’s just the brass, not complete ammunition lol. I’m not looking to reload
memphisjim asked how much 1000 once-fired cases go for…
I gave you links to some decent loaded ammo in my first reply in this thread (Post #3)
M855 has a tunsten steel penetrator and due to the design it does not meet the definition of “armor piercing” as articulated below.
Certain type of ammo have been exempted- .30 AP, .50 AP, etc…due to the surplus status.
Also, I believe that someone may have used common sense when it came to the whole rifle thing for the simple fact that most all rifle ammo can penetrate body armor. That’s just a guess.
I shoot a LOT of Privi and have been happy with it… I will also use cheap Winchester or Remington when my shop has ammo can deals…
PMC is inexpensive and quality. Never have had any problems with it.
The only reason to buy brass ammo is if you are stocking it for SHTF, reloading, or going to collect all the brass and sell it. Selling the brass would still make it $20-40 more per 1k.
I will continue to suggest Silver Bear 62gr for as long as it is around. I chronoed it a few wees ago. In a 16" carbine at 50F 15ft from the muzzle it chronoed at an average of 2845fps. Note that 55gr wolf chronoed at 2880 in the same gun.
Yea idk why ppl dog the wolf and other steel cases. I’m not gonna be able to reload if shtf anyways so doesn’t really matter lol