What HK P2000 do I need?

General Firearms Handguns - Semi Auto
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Long story short, I was a Border Patrol Agent up until about 2 months ago when I accepted a new position back in civilization (northern VA). Needless to say, they wanted their gun back before I left, so I am left sin pistola.

Before I left I started doing some competitive shooting with my p2000 and I would like to continue competitive shooting (as well as use it as my CCW). I really love this pistol.

I can’t figure out what trigger variant I need. Ideally, I would like the same exact model p2000 that I carried with the LEM trigger. Unfortunately, I don’t know what variant we used. A fellow agent and good friend of mine said we had the LEM V2 trigger.

Can anyone confirm that this is the variant used by the BP?

Also, the V1 trigger sounds like its just a lighter trigger’d version of the V2. Can anyone with a little bit more knowledge shed some light on this?

Here is the list of triggers from HK’s site:

The P2000 Trigger Variants:
P2000: Innovative safety trigger with concealed cocking piece in the hammer and centrally located decocking lever for firing in the DA/SA mode.

P2000 V1: Innovative safety trigger with concealed cocking piece in the hammer, with a constant trigger pull (Combat Defense Action/LEM trigger of 20 Newtons) from the first shot to the last, without decocking.

P2000 V2: Like P2000 V1, however LEM/CDA trigger pull 7.3 pounds (32.5 Newtons).

P2000 V3: Conventional DA/SA trigger and hammer, with decocking.

P2000 V4: Like P2000 V1, however CDA/LEM trigger pull 6.18 pounds (27.5 Newtons).

P2000 V5: Double Action only (DAO), trigger pull approximately 7.87 pounds (35 Newtons).

If I am reading that correctly, the V1 trigger is 12.5 newtons lighter in the pull, but otherwise the same action? Gander Mountain claims to have a V1 in stock and another p2000 (im guessing with the standard LEM trigger–whatever that is?)

Thanks for your help.

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I work for a defense contractor located in Northern Virginia and I can confirm that your P2000 was a V2.

HK LEM are popular among DHS Agents. They prefer that over the Sig P229 .40 DAK

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Call HKUSA and talk to Travis. He told me our agency (I’m OFO) uses an even heavier LEM than the normal “heavy” LEM. He said it’s somewhere around 9 lbs IIRC.

For the life of me, I can’t think of Travis’ last name.

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The BP uses the V2 trigger.

The V1 is a lighter version of the same trigger. You can swap out two springs and lower the trigger pull to about 5lbs. If you want to go that route, read this > http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-reference-library/40627-p2000-sk-uspc-lem-trigger-job-part-1-a.html

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can you get the P30 HK in v1 or v3 instead?

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If you like the V2, rock on, but I would highly encourage you to at least try out one of the lighter variants. It only cost a few dollars in springs, and a few F-bombs trying to get the TRS back in place. Very much worth it IMHO.

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Teague

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The P30 comes in V2, V3, V3S. Top Gun Supply shows V1 on their page, but they are currently out of stock. I’m not sure how often those are in stock though.

V2 is a LEM trigger
V3 is DA/SA with safety
V3S is V3 with ambidextrous safety

The V2 LEM can be changed to V1 LEM with the change of the Firing Pin Block Spring (FPBS) and Trigger Return Spring (TRS). The link below is for other HK models, but can be followed reasonably well for the change on the P30.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-reference-library/40627-p2000-sk-uspc-lem-trigger-job-part-1-a.html

ETA:

Yes, yes, yes. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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This is a good link for the different P30 LEM variants as well. There is one issue with it though. See the second link below for the issue. There is no need to change the Hammer Spring (HS) for going from V2 to V1

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-reference-library/140436-definitive-p30-p30l-lem-trigger-chart.html

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-reference-library/140436-definitive-p30-p30l-lem-trigger-chart-3.html#post1058721

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I just got off the phone with Virginia Arms (who I had tried to order it through) and he informed me that HK just called him and said that the p2000’s with the LEM trigger are no longer in production and they don’t have any in stock. :mad::frowning:

I have countless magazines/holsters/accessories for this gun…and I REALLLLY would like to be able to use them. Not to mention I love the gun and have hundreds of hours of trigger time/training behind one.

I can’t imagine they just STOPPED producing this forever. CBP/BP/DHS as well as countless other agencies use this as their primary duty pistol. BP alone is somewhere around 16K-20K agents–all of whom carry a p2000.

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Just did some quick looking. You can try these places as well as some others I’m sure. There’s also the Equipment Exchange of various forums as well.

Which caliber where you needing? These are 9mm.

http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/HK-P2000-9mm-3-62-LEM-DAO-w-13rd-Mags

http://www.internetguncatalog.com/igc/details.asp?ItemNum=15360

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Really??? That’s a drag. Based on features alone (size, capacity, caliber, HK rep) I was planning on trying this at the range ASAP to confirm this as my choice for my first handgun and make the purchase. was just in Va Arms yesterday and noticed they had no P2000’s in stock. I haven’t even been able to see one in the flesh yet.

I’ve been trying to sort through the various trigger options from HK as well. As this is my first pistol, I don’t think that cocked-and-locked offers any major benefit for me, so I’m looking for the closest to Glock/DAO simplicity. I think that would be V5, but as a novice I’m a little confused, still…

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VA Arms have not had a P2000 in stock for some time now…but they do still have the P2000SK

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Thanks for the links. I’m looking for .40S&W.

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It is a drag. It’s an awesome pistol. Some agents hated the trigger (usually the ones that sucked at shooting…which leads me to believe its not the wand its the magician) and others raved about it. I guess I feel indifferent? I have no problem with the trigger–it makes sense to me and I can shoot very well with it. I shot well with my old XD and can shoot well with my 12lb triggered 642 snubby. Trigger control is a training issue.

With that said, I highly recommend a p2000 with any of the LEM variants. V1, V2, or V4. I’ve handled the V5 and the V3–neither are my thing. The LEM is pretty simple imho. H&K just does a good job of confusing people with their different variants. :smiley:

I just ordered a V1 from Gander mountain (with overnight shipping because i have the patience of a 5 year old). We’ll see how I like the lighter trigger, but it appears that its a relatively easy fix change between variants/trigger weights.

Oh, and they have ONE left in stock if anyone is interested. From the sounds of it, they might be even harder to come by in the future.

I appreciate all of the help from the posters in this thread. I’ll update it with pictures as soon as it gets in.

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Probably they did not stop, but HK makes pistols in batches. So it is either HK USA that must order them at HK Gmbh or HK Gmbh must just make them and push to HK USA.

If P2000 V3 is available, then there is (unsupported by HK) way to convert P2000 V3 into LEM. It require replacing V3 hammer with LEM cocking piece, hammer and elbow spring. Gun will end up in V1 with de-cocking button. This modification use only factory parts and do not require any modifications to them. It is full reversible. If LEM sear is used instead of V3 sear, de-cocker button is removed, but small gap between hammer or frame will be present (it does not harm function and do not allow more debris into pistol, that can work inside anyway - but look bad for some people).

Actually there was factory version of such beast (called by HKool-Aid drinkers “V0”), but hammer was spurred (like in V3) not bobbed (like in V1, V2, V4) and this version was only for European market (it is original German Police Model configuration). I know, because both my P2000 and P2000SK came in this configuration. Also my P30L V3 (and before it P30 V3) were converted by me this way into LEM.

I do not know if there would be any legal issues in US with such modification.

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Well, it looks like the p2000 v1 ad they have on gander mountain’s website is a misprint.

I got to the store all excited and started filling out the paper work. As I get done and they are about to process it, I ask to check out the gun first. When I pull it out of the box, I see the decocker. =| They sent me the v3. Unfortunately, they don’t have any LEM guns in stock.

Gander Mountain handled the situation well and about 15 minutes later I had all of my money back.

I guess I’ll have to keep looking.

@ montrala I saw you posts over on hkpro forums about converting the pistol to LEM. That is an option but I would prefer to get one specifically built by HK with an LEM trigger. I always get a tad wary of modifications like that on a gun that I will be carrying around with me. God forbid I ever need to use it–the legal issues that could stem from that (with a bonehead DA) are more trouble than its worth.

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Dachs;

I don’t know if you’re interested, but top gun supply has a P-2000 with a V2 LEM…only one little problem…it’s in .357 sig…anyway here’s their url www.topgunsupply.com