What has happened to this board?

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Fellas,

-Obama got re-elected

-The tragic deaths of John Noveske and Chris Kyle

-before that in July a sicko-psycho let loose at a movie premier

-Obama care is here

-The horrible event at Sandy Hook

-New York’s draconian new weapons ban was signed.

-Multiple other smaller scale shootings (as compared to the scale of Aurora/Sandy Hook) has happened since Dec.

-Feinsten

-Obama…just being Obama

-Biden’s ‘TaskForce’

-Wayne LaPierre not holding up our side to the liberals very well.

-The lack of ammo to train with

-The inability to say get on DSG’s website and think “You know I think I’ll order a Noveske Chainsaw tonight”

-The fear/dread of our fundamental rights being taken away

-For us its not just a fundamental right. It is a passion. It is a way of life. Guns KEEP many of us OUT of trouble…well there’s the fear of losing what we love.

-The media’s constant and consistent vilification of the same gun most of us come together on this board to increase our knowledge of and share our knowledge with fellow members.

-This former LAPD cop going Section 8

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Now I am quite sure there are quite a few more things on here that I could mention but I’ve got to be up early for a run but want to say this before lights out.

As a whole our passion in life is shooting and guns.

With that said in less than 2 months our lives have in one form or another been turned upside down. The events/situations I listed earlier are proof positive of that. For certain many of you could list more that I failed to include.

We are ALL stressed. We are all worried. I am SICK of worrying every time I pull the trigger. I am SICK of not being able to find a Chainsaw or Vltor lower. I am SICK of not being able to find PMC Bronze. I am SICK of the government and media trying to tear down what I view as my right and my passion just b/c they don’t understand it.

But I am also SICK of the attitude and general disrespect of members to other members on M4C. B/C of listed events it’s enough for any of us to blow a gasket.

But no one on here sits across from Wolf Blitzer and talks about banning 30 round; clips and AR-16s. No one on this site shot anyone at a Batman premiere. Nobody here was whispering evil things in to Biden’s ear as he had his task force. I seriously doubt Grant, Paul Buffoni, Marty Daniel and others in the industry are hording parts, guns, and ammo just to see us stress out. WE did not cause any of this so don’t direct your aggravations out on other members.

I’ve never seen so many threads closed and so many people banned, ever.

We are all stressed to the max. What in the hell good is it doing fighting amongst each other. The other day I mentioned Glenn Beck and got lambasted. Didn’t sayBeck was never wrong or was the best at whatever. I just mentioned that I heard him say something on the radio. That’s it.

This crap has got to stop. We all love the Second Amendment. We all want it here for the next generation to enjoy. We all have a love for wanting to be a better shooter. Why the hell are we tearing each other down so much for recently?

Before you hit submit on a post and want to start something or supposedly end something with another member-think. Think about the bigger picture. Realize we are all stressed. Realize that I guaran-freaking-t you wouldn’t be acting like this if this were a face to face conversation.

I don’t know what it is about the internet that turns down one’s level of civility and respect for his fellow man quite a few notches but this needs to be remembered once a thread starts to go south and you are about to reply

Alot of you on here I consider friends. A few I’ve been to classes with or a 3Gun match. Many of you helped me through a very hard time a couple of years ago. Others I consider brothers from another motherboard. :wink:

I’ve ranted long enough and maybe this thread will go south as well. Who knows. But come on y’all have got to see a downward spiral here of late. Let’s try and make this place, and the stressful times we all live in now, a little easier for everyone.

-Jax

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Others I consider brothers from another motherboard. :wink:

-Jax

Nice.

I agree, it is a pretty stressful time right now. Especially for those who are struggling to find anything on the market still. I also think a lot of it has to do with new members. Not saying its their fault, but the amount of blatant repeat threads on here does get annoying. I’ll just be glad when all of this blows over (hopefully).

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Personally, I think that the mods have been more than fair with the discipline. The people who got banned had it coming to them for a while before the hammer got dropped.

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The general tone of this board has always leaned toward libertarianism. Hard to imagine that we could have a government and events that it has driven that is more the polar opposite to what those folks stand for. Very little middle ground these days. Emotions are running high.

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I think this in reference to a post I had made, and for the record, my intention was not to attack you. Sorry if that’s how it sounded anyways.

I agree with your post. We’re all being “separated” and turned against each other over the little things that we may disagree on. If you look at the bigger picture, we’re all on the same page in regards to the 2nd amendment and the constitution.

Like many of you, I have not been able to do any shooting/training in a long time. I believe the last time I took my AR out was a couple of weeks before Sandy Hook.

At a time where we (as firearm owners) are constantly being attacked by the media and Obamadrones alike, we should try and remember that we’re all on the same side and just because someone may not believe the official story of recent happenings does not mean that they are somehow dangerous or the enemy, visa versa for the people who do choose to believe the official story.

I think a lot of these political differences on the forum have led to animosity, but it’s still safe to say we are mostly all “right wingers” … so why does it really matter how far right we are, or how moderate of a “right winger” we are?

Just as the recent thread saying that all “conspiracy theorists” should be ridiculed, banned, whatever. This is messed up. Just because you have a different opinion than somebody does not make them any less of a person or somehow unimportant, unintelligent, etc. I think if anything we need to promote intelligent discussion amongst each other instead of chasing each other off the forum with torches and pitchforks.

The real problem lies in the fact that most of us are not even talking shooting on here anymore because we are not doing any shooting recently! Instead we’re discussing politics and our small differences as conservatives and libertarians.

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Consider it as a different type of “muzzle discipline”. There is an option called “Preview Post” just to the right of “Submit Reply”. Good way to insure a “waiting period” before taking possession of a post.

Good post and I have to agree with you. So much heated rhetoric and thin skinned reaction to someone expressing, perhaps poorly, a thought. These are stressful times for 2A supporters simply because the world around us is spinning out of our control. Our fate is in the hands of others on both sides of the issue. Yes, we can speak out to our elected representation, but in the end they will vote in their best interests. No, we can’t predict when someone next “snaps” and misuses an “AR-16 with a high capacity clip” that looks oddly like a S&W Model 29 “full auto assault pistol” as “reported” (more like editorialized) in the media.
The members of the military, police and sheriffs departments, and average civilians all have individuals amongst their ranks who do stupid acts outside of regulations and the standards expected from them. I don’t think anyone on here believes that those who act or react outside their training reflect the entire organization any more than an individual shooting at unarmed children reflect all gun owners.

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This.

That’s why, when someone claims to be all pro-2nd Amendment but then spouts off other comments that clearly imply otherwise, people are calling them on their inconsistency which is fine, but since emotions are high it comes across as trolling or attacking the person. The person should be called on it, but it should be done politely. That said, nobody should be going around claiming to be all pro-2nd Amendment but then turn around and make statements to the effect that some are more equal than others. There’s nothing wrong with calling that out as inconsistent and wrong.

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Good job pointing this out!!

I’ve only been a member here since this past summer, and I have seen it go down hill. To the point I’ve started ignoring certain threads.

I’ve seen this board as a great great place to learn and from time to time get a little silly :jester: . Not only about AR types, but many other platforms. I’ve also bought a lot of the parts and pieces that are on my carbine on this site.

Thanks Jax and Thank You M4C.

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I think it’s kind of funny that I have actually gone to dsg looking for a chainsaw upper multiple times and have not found one. And I can’t find any pmc bronze anywhere :frowning:

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Close the GD for 30 days.

Those that are here to talk about guns, ammo, shooting, tactics, and the like will continue uninterrupted. Those that are here for other purposes will expose themselves as such, but will have opportunity to get some rest. If the leadership is not willing to close GD altogether, perhaps a temporary moratorium is more palatable.

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Things are getting weird lately, but I think we’ll be okay if we can be civil, and stick together.

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As long as it was only for 30 days or less, I’d agree.

(Except Army Chief’s thread.)

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Nice, Jax. I read way more then I post. It’s been something I’ve enjoyed for the last few years. But, the last few months has been brutal, especially with the LEO sentiament. I’m hoping it is just the stress and it will eventually subside. If not, and we’re any indicater of the rest of the population, divide and conquer should be a piece of cake for the anti’s.

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If you go on Democratic Underground you can actually find threads on how they are intentionally planning, and trying to polarize and dismantle gun owners, so that they can paint black rifle owners as extremists.

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Not a bad idea. Not bad at all.

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It is the internet.

People take things way too seriously and there is no sarcasm or emphasis font, the internet simply lacks that simple emotional aspect that you get from face to face conversation.

Do not take it too seriously as it is very pointless. People have internet muscles and talk the biggest trash online, good or bad. 9/10 of those same people will never say the same thing to another person in the real world, it just does not happen and many have seen it occur in person.

Again, it is the internet, do not take it so personally.

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M4C’s primary purpose is as a forum for sharing and discussing technical information related to firearms, shooting, training etc. While many of us can get emotionally charged up in technical discussions some of the time, it’s just about guaranteed that GD topics involving politics, religion, LE and current events will go downhill.

The one thing that everyone has in common on this forum is firearms. Beyond that, we may share very similar lives and opinions, or be completely diverse. It’s that non-technical diversity that means that we’ll always differ on opinions, on subjects have been debated for years with no clear-cut resolution.

That’s why the staff and mods have wanted to get rid of or shut down the GD section, because the majority of divisive discussion happens there. In the past, we reluctantly decided to leave it open because there are subjects worth discussing that don’t fall under any of the other technical sections, like 2A information.

But everyone’s on edge here, because of the current political climate, and emotions are running high.
Whatever happens to GD, I think it’s a good time to urge everyone to re-read AC’s guide and take it to heart:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=70019

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I wouldn’t miss the GD forum. It’s all the same shit I see on Drudge every day :wink:

We could have forum where the threads must involve guns/shooting/2A/etc. rather than all the extra RW/Libertarian Propaganda we all read elsewhere anyway.

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The gun, ammo, and part shortages will subside eventually. When somebody sells premium they can ask double the normal price and get it with the high demand. Look at Calguns or AR15.com and your head will spin. Hopefully no bans will be passed then I think the market will be bigger than ever like it was after the '94 ban expired. There are already challenges to the NY legislation.

Tensions are running high especially among gun enthusiasts and those wanting more liberty instead of more nanny state politics and really any propaganda. Some people regardless of their political affiliation need less spin and more answers instead of being fed tidbits of info and more questions or running into walls of silence. Expecting more answers doesn’t automatically make you a truther who calls everything the government does a lie.

I’m sure their are racists, anarchists, truthers, or any sort of fringe people here but so many of us get lumped into that group just for hating Obama or Biden and constantly getting the racism and truther card slung. We get enough of that from the anti-gun crowd and ultra left wing. Some of us could stand to grow a thicker skin and stop getting so offended or worried what the world is going to think of us.

People are getting tired of Washington wanting two inches, we and our representatives giving ONE inch, and some of us and the NRA think we’ve won! They claim to want to keep us in the fold but I’m sure many of them feel guilt by association. Some of them have already thrown us under the bus and it’s hard not to be frustrated especially when more psychos constantly go off the deep end. The gun grabbers know some of the blood is on their hands for causing this social and political divide.

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I think the GD is a good place to have, especially in this environment. It gives us a place to vent and get stuff off our chest. If it doesn’t happen in GD I’m pretty sure it’ll overflow into technical discussions.